Not sure how I feel about this one. On the one hand I can understand the need not to spend the money, on the other I don't want to see sponsorship go down for racers that need it. I also had a lot of fun hanging at the National Guard Booth at Laguna Seca, and I can understand the power of such recruiting tools... Hmm, what do ya'll think?
I think the Army needs the advertisement so it generates a new crowd. every kid that sees it might think about joining. and as Guard member we want people that WANT to be there, not people that don't want to be there.
I love what I do and will do it for more than 20 years for sure. I'm at 10 now and still look forward to it. Does it suck sure sometimes it does, but so does everything else in life.
And my question is how much do they honestly spend for that advertisement space? Can they get as much publicity in any other method? I mean Every TV in north America will advertise Nascar which means the National guard gets a ton of coverage.
Cut spending elsewhere. the Motorsports industry can not afford to lose any sponsors which will make it harder for people to find supporting jobs.
I think the Army needs the advertisement so it generates a new crowd. every kid that sees it might think about joining. and as Guard member we want people that WANT to be there, not people that don't want to be there.
I love what I do and will do it for more than 20 years for sure. I'm at 10 now and still look forward to it. Does it suck sure sometimes it does, but so does everything else in life.
And my question is how much do they honestly spend for that advertisement space? Can they get as much publicity in any other method? I mean Every TV in north America will advertise Nascar which means the National guard gets a ton of coverage.
Cut spending elsewhere. the Motorsports industry can not afford to lose any sponsors which will make it harder for people to find supporting jobs.
Agree completely, I still consider myself to be fairly young (30) and work around 18-25+ yr old guys . It's all about marketing to a younger and younger generation, which is who is needed to be recruited for the military. I might be wrong, but gone are the days were commercials entice young people as much as viral and visual media can. And seeing somethign run 300mph down a drag stripe and 200 mph around a track be it a bike, nascar or anything that's loud and violent will catch the eye more these days. I to under stand money is tight for all the branches, but with the way they (navy) are getting rid of enlistment bonuses and sign-on bonuses left and right, it's advertising money well spent to get asses in the seats so-to-speak.
Love the idea! If Spanish banks can't sponsor teams anymore, why should our military be allowed to do it?
Lets just stop going to war, and then we won't need to spend money recruiting so many servicemen/servicewomen. Win/win! See, I just saved everyone money, just like that!
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Love the idea! If Spanish banks can't sponsor teams anymore, why should our military be allowed to do it?
Lets just stop going to war, and then we won't need to spend money recruiting so many servicemen/servicewomen. Win/win! See, I just saved everyone money, just like that!
Frankly your idea sucks ass.(IMHO) I joined the Army to see the world one battlezone at a time. I'm already looking for a unit to go to Afghanistan with. and i just got home. Then i will have served in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghan. I just hope I can grab a slot before we completely pull out of that country.
I love what i do and the money i make doing it is a nice plus.
Frankly your idea sucks ass.(IMHO) I joined the Army to see the world one battlezone at a time. I'm already looking for a unit to go to Afghanistan with. and i just got home. Then i will have served in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghan. I just hope I can grab a slot before we completely pull out of that country.
I love what i do and the money i make doing it is a nice plus.
Haha, you WANT to be at war constantly! That's so epic! You realize that all of us paying for it want it to stop though? Evidently not.
So you're trying to get a spot going to war and can't? Then why do we need to recruit if there's such a surplus of servicemen already? See, no need to advertise, we have enough already. Boom, saved the Gov't money again.
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Haha, you WANT to be at war constantly! That's so epic! You realize that all of us paying for it want it to stop though? Evidently not.
I know all of us are paying for it, I'm not retarded, and no I don't want us at war constantly. I was being a little sarcastic in my post. I do like going places with the Army I have learned a lot from both deployments about how to deal with individuals and without both my trips I wouldn't be where I am today in life. I am happy about that part and the opportunities it has given me.
This is all being typed while I am sitting at my civilian employer where I pay taxes into our big government.
When I was a kid growing up everything was cigarette and alcohol advertising. I hardly drink and I've never smoked.
I think military advertising is something that polarizes people more than cig or alcohol because of its colourful history as well as the fact that public funds are used to support it and politicians on occasion use it to further their ideals.
Personally, I only see the livery for what it is, livery. Military advertising will never influence me or my family or anyone remotely intelligent in joining or not joining the military. IMO if you join the military solely based on it being on your favourite NASCAR drivers car then you deserve everything you get over your term of service, because bottom line you will not fit in. Furthermore, if you really believe anyone would join solely based on the NASCAR etal advertising give your head a shake.
IMO if you join the military for the right reasons, travel, service, adventure... then you will thrive and more importantly survive the experience and have a positive experience. In this day and age I'm hard pressed to believe anyone can be tricked into joining up. The advertising isn't that good.
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I know this is the second article on the subject, and the first one had some poles on it that said that the recruits weren't coming in because of the sponsorships.
I don't remember exact numbers but I do remember that I found the circumstances of said poles questionable. I've been finding a lot of politicians misquoting, misrepresenting, or even using erroneous polls.
My only concern was the statement that there was a bipartisan following on this bill.
I know this is the second article on the subject, and the first one had some poles on it that said that the recruits weren't coming in because of the sponsorships.
I don't remember exact numbers but I do remember that I found the circumstances of said poles questionable. I've been finding a lot of politicians misquoting, misrepresenting, or even using erroneous polls.
My only concern was the statement that there was a bipartisan following on this bill.
That's the problem. If we are discussing whether or not military advertising is wrong or right it all gets lost in the quagmire of political motivations etc. The issue will no longer be the advertising but the position to take leading into an election.
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When I was a kid growing up everything was cigarette and alcohol advertising. I hardly drink and I've never smoked.
I think military advertising is something that polarizes people more than cig or alcohol because of its colourful history as well as the fact that public funds are used to support it and politicians on occasion use it to further their ideals.
Personally, I only see the livery for what it is, livery. Military advertising will never influence me or my family or anyone remotely intelligent in joining or not joining the military. IMO if you join the military solely based on it being on your favourite NASCAR drivers car then you deserve everything you get over your term of service, because bottom line you will not fit in. Furthermore, if you really believe anyone would join solely based on the NASCAR etal advertising give your head a shake.
IMO if you join the military for the right reasons, travel, service, adventure... then you will thrive and more importantly survive the experience and have a positive experience. In this day and age I'm hard pressed to believe anyone can be tricked into joining up. The advertising isn't that good.
So if an advert of, lets say the navy, says that they offer you money for a college degree, 3 hot's and a cot, and possibly give you some direction in life for 3 or 4 years of service in return. And said person was to think, "Self, that wouldn't be so bad as it would set me up with money for college and learn some self discipline after 4 years or so?" But SQD8R you might be right and I might be lacking intelligence in thinking that some poor kid with zero direction could benefit from some seeing an ad or commercial on tv about getting to see the world and be a positive member of society, regardless if we are at war or not... That being said, Military advertisement, not the type on the side of a car, conveys one thing that I've seen and one thing only...Opportunity. It's given me the opportunity to grow as a person, pay taxes like the "Intelligent" people out there and be a productive member of society for the last 9 years. All the while supporting myself, my family and my toy habits when it can.
I don't think that it should be banned outright, but I think the money would/could be spent in better ways to support the current and former service members.
Rediculous, as long as we are free, we will depend upon class 1 bullet stoppers. They are the grunts that get things done. They are the grenade eaters, They are the TRUE heros in the military, I would rather see today's youth without dirrection, turn to the military for structure and self discilpine, no matter how they get there. What they learn in 12 weeks will serve them, (and us) the rest of their lives...
I think that every car should have the culmination of the US flag, and the 4 branches of service... Sorry coast guard you didnt make the cut, DOT and Homeland Security arent branches of the service.. anyway they shouldnt have to pay for the advertising.. Its pretty sad how much this country spends on entertainment and how much they want to penny pinch defending...
So if an advert of, lets say the navy, says that they offer you money for a college degree, 3 hot's and a cot, and possibly give you some direction in life for 3 or 4 years of service in return. And said person was to think, "Self, that wouldn't be so bad as it would set me up with money for college and learn some self discipline after 4 years or so?" But SQD8R you might be right and I might be lacking intelligence in thinking that some poor kid with zero direction could benefit from some seeing an ad or commercial on tv about getting to see the world and be a positive member of society, regardless if we are at war or not... That being said, Military advertisement, not the type on the side of a car, conveys one thing that I've seen and one thing only...Opportunity. It's given me the opportunity to grow as a person, pay taxes like the "Intelligent" people out there and be a productive member of society for the last 9 years. All the while supporting myself, my family and my toy habits when it can.
Not sure if we agreed or if you took what I said as a negative against the military; because I was talking about advertising.
If you did, read it again pls because my comment wasn't against the military in any way whatsoever, but against advertising having as much of an influence as people seem to think. And I certainly never implied that people in the military weren't intelligent.
If we agreed, no worries.
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