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Old 06-15-2012, 04:45 AM
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That's not how it went down at all, IMO. Yamaha did not want to lose Rossi, but they also needed to keep Lolly, and Rossi got his knickers in a knot because they wanted to up Lolly's paycheck and make them even players while Rossi wanted to remain clear #1, so he left. Simple as that.

Yamaha would have LOVED to have kept Rossi and Lolly, and have double insurance to win the manufacturer's title and also take the Rider's championship (BTW, they care much less about Rider's Championships than the manufacturer's champinship, just like any factory)
An acquaintence of mine, who has represented a few racers and raced himself in the 70's & 80's, told me privately that Yamaha had Lorenzo and felt Spies was the next big thing after Jorge, they thought those two were future and Rossi was expendable. Especially after his unknown shoulder condition and broken leg.

His information almost always comes to pass, so I assume he had inside knowledge on this as well that he couldn't tell exactly how or why he knew this. There are many blowhards in the two-wheeled universe but he doesn't seem like one.

I don't disagree that they would have liked to have had all three riders on their terms, but cutting Rossi's pay under Jorge's was going to make him leave. Simple as that. He was not a guy without options.
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:25 AM
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I don't disagree that they would have liked to have had all three riders on their terms, but cutting Rossi's pay under Jorge's was going to make him leave. Simple as that. He was not a guy without options.
That sounds right, from what I remember Ducati offered him more than Yamaha for 2011/2012. I think Ducati will certainly offer him the most money again for 2013/2014, but we'll see how much that matters later this year. He had no way of knowing how far off the pace Ducati was going to be this season and last season, but I can't see him signing for two more years there knowing he's probably going to be the second factory rider beaten in the dry by a CRT rider if he stays at Ducati. (The first is going to be the other Ducati factory rider.)
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:16 PM
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I don't disagree that they would have liked to have had all three riders on their terms, but cutting Rossi's pay under Jorge's was going to make him leave. Simple as that. He was not a guy without options.
There was never any proposal to cut Rossi's salary under Jorges, as far as I am aware. They wanted to close the gap between Rossi's current salary and Jorge's where Rossi was commaning so much MORE than Jorge.

I strongly believe that Rossi simply wanted to remain the clear #1 in the team, and Yamaha were wanting to make them (more) even (but not that Yamaha had "planned" for him to leave and be replaced by Spies....at least not at that time. Perhaps in the future yes, but Jorge was their up and rising star in MGP and Rossi was their "mature" insurance card for the championship battle over the next 2 years)

Not that Spies has worked for them in any case, unfortunately!
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:20 PM
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There was never any proposal to cut Rossi's salary under Jorges, as far as I am aware. They wanted to close the gap between Rossi's current salary and Jorge's where Rossi was commaning so much MORE than Jorge.

I strongly believe that Rossi simply wanted to remain the clear #1 in the team, and Yamaha were wanting to make them (more) even (but not that Yamaha had "planned" for him to leave and be replaced by Spies....at least not at that time. Perhaps in the future yes, but Jorge was their up and rising star in MGP and Rossi was their "mature" insurance card for the championship battle over the next 2 years)

Not that Spies has worked for them in any case, unfortunately!
I agree. I wonder if Rossi regrets the move? I'm thinking YES!
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Old 06-15-2012, 06:07 PM
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There was never any proposal to cut Rossi's salary under Jorges, as far as I am aware. They wanted to close the gap between Rossi's current salary and Jorge's where Rossi was commaning so much MORE than Jorge.
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I agree. I wonder if Rossi regrets the move? I'm thinking YES!
Blasphemy! This is a wonderful opportunity to show everyone how underdeveloped the Ducati was. Oh wait..........forget that.
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