My comments about Casey's lack of mgmt skills due to blasting his team in public are absolutely the same here, towards Rossi. There's no difference, IMO.
That's very big and level-headed of you. I'm sure Kam feels the same way as does everyone else in the Stoner Hater thread earlier.
One man is frustrated because he didn't win and the other is frustrated because he knows this season is toast and will be forced to watch great racing from 30+ seconds behind the leaders. Both have legit gripes. But only one has himself to blame for the horrible bike he's riding.
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when you are in business, you live and die by your reputation, if someone under my employment went on a public rant about my business, I would fire him on the spot...
when you are in business, you live and die by your reputation, if someone under my employment went on a public rant about my business, I would fire him on the spot...
It all depends on what their role is in the business and whether you can live without them or not.
But I agree, airing dirty laundry in public is a definite no-no. But racers seem to do it all the time. (Rossi, Stoner, Lewis Hamilton, Seb Vettel, et al).
It all depends on what their role is in the business and whether you can live without them or not.
But I agree, airing dirty laundry in public is a definite no-no. But racers seem to do it all the time. (Rossi, Stoner, Lewis Hamilton, Seb Vettel, et al).
In Stoner's case, I'm sure he doesn't want a repeat of what happened at Ducati. Dominates the Championship and then his team sits on their asses while he has to ride a sub-par bike. I think it's good that he keeps a fire lit under their asses instead of letting them walk around the paddock like their shit doesn't stink. He wants to dominate and wants everyone to know he's doing all he can and they should be too. I love it!
In Rossi's case, he's just being a whiney bitch. The whole move to Ducati started with "Stoner's inability to develop the bike" and now HE'S the problem. And surely it doesn't look or feel good to be the one everyone is pointing and laughing at in the paddock.
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It'll be interesting to see what the next year brings to motogp. Stoner, like many other riders in this day and age acts like a whiny beeyotch when he loses and typically blames anything except his own ability, but he's no different than most other racers now. He's fast as hell, no disputing that but in terms of toughness, not so much and he's not a 9 time world champ. Rossi, and Burgess are superb at setting up a bike and making it as fast as possible but they obviously don't know shit about building a bike from scratch. It's either that or Ducati has not followed their requests. IMHO Rossi has not gotten slower and neither has Hayden and I firmly believe you put them on a Honda or an M1 and they would prove just that. Nicky is in the best shape he has ever been in and he's a fighter, I think he's much faster than Dovi and Cruthlow on equal machinery.
As for Rossis remarks, he just like Stoner needs something to blame, he's frustrated obviously with everything that he put himself in and I'm sure we haven't heard the last of him. What choice does Ducati have, cut him and void his contract? Bench him but continue to pay him? Cutting him would get him on a new bike faster. Either way he's got zero faith or trust in the bike . Right, wrong, or indifferent we may very soon see Rossi on much better equipment where he won't have the "worst bike" excuse
Nicky is in the best shape he has ever been in and he's a fighter
Ummmm, no? Aside from the below, he hasn't ridden a proper GP bike in 5 years. He would have NO idea what to do on an HRC bike. Hell, he was lost in 2007 on the 800 bike. Yeah, I know "the 1000 would suit him better" but again that was 5 years ago. Just don't think he's as fast as you remember him. Would be great if I was wrong, but I doubt we find out. Don't see Ducati in GPs after this year and Nicky (and possibly Spies) will get replaced by all the crazy talent coming up thru Moto2.
Nicky hasn't won a race in 2088 days and Rossi hasn't seen the top step of the podium in 548 days. Time has passed them both by sadly.
“I felt we had the potential to run with Dovizioso and Crutchlow, but considering my injuries and limited testing over the winter, I guess sixth is pretty good."
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It'll be interesting to see what the next year brings to motogp. Stoner, like many other riders in this day and age acts like a whiny beeyotch when he loses and typically blames anything except his own ability, but he's no different than most other racers now. He's fast as hell, no disputing that but in terms of toughness, not so much and he's not a 9 time world champ. Rossi, and Burgess are superb at setting up a bike and making it as fast as possible but they obviously don't know shit about building a bike from scratch. It's either that or Ducati has not followed their requests. IMHO Rossi has not gotten slower and neither has Hayden and I firmly believe you put them on a Honda or an M1 and they would prove just that. Nicky is in the best shape he has ever been in and he's a fighter, I think he's much faster than Dovi and Cruthlow on equal machinery.
As for Rossis remarks, he just like Stoner needs something to blame, he's frustrated obviously with everything that he put himself in and I'm sure we haven't heard the last of him. What choice does Ducati have, cut him and void his contract? Bench him but continue to pay him? Cutting him would get him on a new bike faster. Either way he's got zero faith or trust in the bike . Right, wrong, or indifferent we may very soon see Rossi on much better equipment where he won't have the "worst bike" excuse
It's hard to say how much is mental with Rossi at this point, but if neither Ducati factory rider can get anywhere near the podium then that's a pretty good indication of where the problem is.
Personally, I think Rossi has to speak up, partly because Hayden won't. The complaints about the bike aren't happening in a vacuum either, there isn't any reason to think Ducati are very good on making changes based on rider feedback, so getting their attention probably is a good idea.
Jami, the same could be said about Stoner coming off of the Duc. Aside from recovering from an injury, he's the lightest and fittest he's ever been. For Nicky, he's made it his personal challenge to be better and better each year. Again, in my own opinion, aside from his injury, Nicky has done nothing but hone his own riding skills. This experience has made him a much better rider because he is putting in everything he's got. I've got not physical proof that this is in fact true, just my own opinion after watching footage of him in training and comparing it over the years. He's put a lot into this season. I'd personally much rather see Nicky on a satellite bike than Rossi, at least Nicky didn't burn any bridges.
Personally, I think Rossi has to speak up, partly because Hayden won't.
Hayden CAN'T! This is the bike Rossi built. If he says it's shit, then he's throwing Flossi under the bus. Everyone is stuck, except Rossi who can/has blamed it on the team to get out of the mess and wash his hands completely of the mortal disaster.
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Jami, the same could be said about Stoner coming off of the Duc. Aside from recovering from an injury, he's the lightest and fittest he's ever been. For Nicky, he's made it his personal challenge to be better and better each year. Again, in my own opinion, aside from his injury, Nicky has done nothing but hone his own riding skills. This experience has made him a much better rider because he is putting in everything he's got. I've got not physical proof that this is in fact true, just my own opinion after watching footage of him in training and comparing it over the years. He's put a lot into this season. I'd personally much rather see Nicky on a satellite bike than Rossi, at least Nicky didn't burn any bridges.
The unfortunate part of all this is that his offseason training is EXACTLY what jeopardized his year due to the injuries sustained training.
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Talking strictly as a fan and a viewer, I have serious reservations about the entertainment value of the coming races.
If Stoner, hanging by "2 fingers to hold the handle bar, and 1 finger to break" in the 7-8 laps can get a close 3rd, what Chance does ANYONE have of winning any of the races.
He started having arm pump by lap 4, yet he still got by and pulled a distance on both dani and Jorge - and ONLY lost therace because he was riding with left hand.
I had timing and scoring up during the entire race and his lap time was within a second of the other 2, with worn tires and ONE hand
What chance does anyone have when a rider is getting a podium without the use of the MAIN right hand?
Hayden CAN'T! This is the bike Rossi built. If he says it's shit, then he's throwing Flossi under the bus. Everyone is stuck, except Rossi who can/has blamed it on the team to get out of the mess and wash his hands completely of the mortal disaster.
There is a name for the condition that you have sir.
schadenfreude - enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others
There is a name for the condition that you have sir.
schadenfreude - enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others
LOL - I kid you NOT - If this person is even 10% as pathetic as he is on the forum, being related to him, friends with him, working with him would be a Nightmare and 24/7 entertainment ALL at the same time -
Someone with THAT much insecurity has got to make an ass out of themselves at every turn in real life - I envy people around you, for them its a never ending life-blog - LOLOLOLOL
My comments about Casey's lack of mgmt skills due to blasting his team in public are absolutely the same here, towards Rossi. There's no difference, IMO.
The one thing I disagree with is the fact Rossi's popularity in Italy was already on a downward trend when he signed for Ducati. He lost a ton of support when he started squabbling with Ramon Forcada (Lorenzo's crew chief) over data and asked for the now infamous wall. Add on top of that motorcycle sales (not to mention sales of Rossi merchandise) literally tanked in Italy in 2008 and are still in free fall and you get the idea.
There was a time when you could not even whisper his name without grown men starting quarreling like children over superheroes. Now all you get are mild reactions. Worst of all the press which played him up as a demigod is silently waiting for the right moment to start tearing him apart like a flock of vultures near a dying water buffalo.
Not a good way to end such an incredible career.
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The one thing I disagree with is the fact Rossi's popularity in Italy was already on a downward trend when he signed for Ducati. He lost a ton of support when he started squabbling with Ramon Forcada (Lorenzo's crew chief) over data and asked for the now infamous wall. Add on top of that motorcycle sales (not to mention sales of Rossi merchandise) literally tanked in Italy in 2008 and are still in free fall and you get the idea.
There was a time when you could not even whisper his name without grown men starting quarreling like children over superheroes. Now all you get are mild reactions. Worst of all the press which played him up as a demigod is silently waiting for the right moment to start tearing him apart like a flock of vultures near a dying water buffalo.
Not a good way to end such an incredible career.
Unfortunately, I think you're right.
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