Cool bike but it looks like they probably will not be selling street bikes for much longer... They can't or won't go road racing in any capacity and I would not feel comfortable putting down that type of cash on a bike whose future looks shaky...
Cool bike but it looks like they probably will not be selling street bikes for much longer... They can't or won't go road racing in any capacity and I would not feel comfortable putting down that type of cash on a bike whose future looks shaky...
The future of the company is shaky, not to mention their foray into sportbikes. I wouldn't buy one but it seems to have a relatively decent following given the size of the manufacturer.
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Cool bike but it looks like they probably will not be selling street bikes for much longer... They can't or won't go road racing in any capacity and I would not feel comfortable putting down that type of cash on a bike whose future looks shaky...
Fair point but how much does that really influence your decision? I'm asking because these days there are hardly any dealers around, the internet is a big help and home maintenance more than before seems on the rise for the true enthusiast esp. if you do trackdays, you simply cannot afford to not do your own work.
I ask because I'd say I've brought a bike into a dealership only for warranty work, and minor warranty work at that, over the past 10 years. Anything else, I've done myself.
Sober second thoughts (OK 50th thoughts ) in and around the RSV4, RC8, MV Agusta regarding reliability have me thinking maybe they might be worth the risk... compared to thoughts around pricing (GSXR750), reliability (the Japanese) and/or warranty with a good local dealer (S1000RR).
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Originally Posted by Busy Little Shop The [fact] that the RC45 was a "relative failure" is what matters most...
I ask because I'd say I've brought a bike into a dealership only for warranty work, and minor warranty work at that, over the past 10 years. Anything else, I've done myself.
If it had traction control I'd bought a Race Spec last month..but it doesn't and I didn't. Other then that the thing is a blast. I rode one at Mid Ohio for one session. It had the feel of the RC51 motor-but more power, and the turn in, handling of a Ducati. Its really a fun bike..I rode the race spec so I don't know how big a difference the added compression, made, but the 2011 RS didn't feel jerky like they're saying the 2012 did.. And the Race Spec has zero warranty anyway..
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Parts would be a major issue don't you think? I would go with the BMW, the bike kicks ass, it's not overpriced and well, it's a BMW!
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Fair point but how much does that really influence your decision? I'm asking because these days there are hardly any dealers around, the internet is a big help and home maintenance more than before seems on the rise for the true enthusiast esp. if you do trackdays, you simply cannot afford to not do your own work.
I ask because I'd say I've brought a bike into a dealership only for warranty work, and minor warranty work at that, over the past 10 years. Anything else, I've done myself.
Sober second thoughts (OK 50th thoughts ) in and around the RSV4, RC8, MV Agusta regarding reliability have me thinking maybe they might be worth the risk... compared to thoughts around pricing (GSXR750), reliability (the Japanese) and/or warranty with a good local dealer (S1000RR).
parts for the ktm seem to be readily available. maybe i have a great dealer, who knows.
i understand the traction control argument but the big twin makes the power so smoothly and puts out so much traction i don't think it's lacking much for not having the tc.
i've ridden both my 2010 rc8r and my buddy's 2011 rc8rs on the track, they're pretty similar but his has a slightly heavier crank and flywheel which takes a bit of the twitch out of the throttle...
i honestly think you shouldn't knock it till you try it, Performance bikes has a writeup on the track model in this month's issue for anyone interested.
If you were the CEO wouldn't you drop the dream of out gunning Ducati in the
V2 market and instead concentrate your resources in a dual prong attack on
the market like homologating a V4 for WSBK and offering a V4 CRT MotoGp
engine???
Why? Ducati just destroyed Aprilia on the racetrack and the sales floor... You really do have dementia don't you? BTW, the RC8 would also destroy your old outdated and ugly RC45 on the track!
I WANT A V4
I love the rc8r and I have had the pleasure of riding one. Love everything about it.
Is it really a crazy idea to hope for something as "exotic" and robust as a V4 in that chassis?
home maintenance more than before seems on the rise for the true enthusiast esp.
I ask because I'd say I've brought a bike into a dealership only for warranty work, and minor warranty work at that, over the past 10 years. Anything else, I've done myself.
But I'd say the number of true enthusiasts is on the way down.
Your second thought shows you probably haven't owned a something like the KTM. I've never owned any motorcycle made in Germany, the USA, England, or Italy. Does that cover it? I actually don't know (or care) where the KTM is from.
Like you, I haven't brought a motorcycle into a dealership for a long time, at least fifteen years.
Why? Ducati just destroyed Aprilia on the racetrack and the sales floor... You really do have dementia don't you? BTW, the RC8 would also destroy your old outdated and ugly RC45 on the track!
Why??? well just think if you were an young buck engineer in charge with the
KTMs long term development which engine configuration would you rest your
reputation on their RC8 V2 or their MotoGp V4???
Why? Ducati just destroyed Aprilia on the racetrack and the sales floor... You really do have dementia don't you? BTW, the RC8 would also destroy your old outdated and ugly RC45 on the track!
While the reason ducati gets a displacement advantage to bring parity to WSB is well found, there is always the question from week to week and year to year whether the top ducati rider/team had the restrictions to allow parity. Having lesser performing ducatis finishing subpar means that the best supported rider and team may benefit from not enough restriction to maintain parity. Only a very few riders will ever be in contention for the overall tittle in a given year.
2012 KTM RC8 R and RC8 R Race Spec Review: First Ride
) in and around the RSV4, RC8, MV Agusta regarding reliability have me thinking maybe they might be worth the risk... compared to thoughts around pricing (GSXR750), reliability (the Japanese) and/or warranty with a good local dealer (S1000RR).
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