I ride a Harley Ultra Classic (full dresser) almost everyday to and from work, Ive put 19K miles in 2 years so far while also driving my truck at times. I use a set of slip on mufflers on my bike that are MAYBE 5% louder than the pipes that come with it stock. I have them because the bike runs nicer, get better MPGs and it doesn't sound like a Jetsons flying car (you know, the chirping thing). THey are not loud by any stretch of the imagination.
here in LA we have A LOT, i mean A LOT of motorcyclist.
The great majority ride sportbikes around causing no problems, then after that id say there a lot of messenger type bikes...you know the type, FZ1s with a huge trunk and lots of reflective tape, no biggy. Then third would be the cruisers (Harleys and Metrics) which majority are guys that ride the things on a daily basis to a from work (like me) or out on a slow Sunday cruise to wherever.
great!
Now, the problem is with not a select few that make it a point to act like assholes on the roads of LA, and im sure all over SoCal, to the point hat cagers hate all motorcyclist, and in turn i hate them more than they do....the assholes, not all motorcyclist.
these dickwads abuse the law that allows for us to share the lane with cars (split traffic) and the huge amount of canyon roads that happen to be amongst lots of houses and business.
But thats not the biggest problem;
When splitting traffic, these should-have-been-a-blow-jobs split lanes by cranking their sportbikes til the rev limiter hits the roof or until they're Harley pipes catch fire in order to get cars attention so that hey can squeeze themselves through the huge opening thats there already, but they cant do it because they have no clue how to ride a bike.
Im behind these condom slips on my frikking Harley Ultra Classic full bagger! splitting traffic EASILY without annoying anyone at all, while they have to stop at every other car at rev them out of the way to continue.
Nevermind that splitting traffic is a privilege given to us...these donkey dicks go around acting as if they own the road and how dare cars don't give them a 15' foot gap to squeeze in between!!
The other kind of dickwad is the one that thinks the local canyon carved through residential neighborhoods in SoCAl (they're everywhere) are their own private raceway. They go around sprinting from straight to straight, parking it at every turn so that they can go around it without crashing, and nailing the gas again on the straight....you know, a ****ing squid.
these would all be fine and dandy if thats all they did and they crashed out of everyones way eventually, but!
Both of these conceived-with-weak-spearm darwin-not-working examples tend to use the loudest possible pipes they can find, because they think this makes an excellent matting call or something.
The problem? California is sick of it and now were all gonna have to wear stock pipes from now on, if they pass this shit, which from the looks of it, it will. Why? because every one that drives a car is for it.....and thats a lot of cars vs motorcyclist here in Cali.
end rant......
PS, **** you guys with mohawks on your helmet revving your bikes in traffic, **** you asshole with skull bandana on your face revving your Harley to a full 4k song, and **** you hooligan bike rider from UK that loves the fact he gets to use loud pipes here.
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born and raised in 213...im guessing try not to think
i also say San Fran, Frisco, Diego, SD, TJ, Hollywierd, Los Angeelees, eastlos, westlos.....and someone always gets butthurt about it .."thats not what WE call it around here"
Cali is what everyone here refers to it as, big deal
In all actuality it is already illegal in most cases to mod your exhaust in CA, this is redundant...but just think of the money they can make if they enforce it!
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Why don't u go over to 1000rr.net/Gixxer.com and just tell them yourself? Most of them are over there buying MrGrn carbon and loudass garage exhausts.
Anyway, I'm all for them passing the law. If it will get them to start impounding bikes from the idiots, then that's what we've been forced into. The sportbike-riding public is embarassing and needs to be done away with for the most part.
Or you can just move out of "Cali' or whatever the cool guy above calls it cuz he's a "local".
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why don'y you do yourself a favor and put me on ignore
IF it passes and a BIG "IF", it will apply to 2013 and newer bikes. WTF are you getting all riled up about for it now?
Because it's a bull crap law, and with the nazi's running California it's only a start. They'll come up with more crap against ALL bikers.And sooner or later most of us will get a new bike someday and then we'll really be pissed.
Because it's a bull crap law, and with the nazi's running California it's only a start. They'll come up with more crap against ALL bikers.And sooner or later most of us will get a new bike someday and then we'll really be pissed.
OMG, we're becoming like the UK with these damn exhaust laws. We've had it way too easy for too long and it's finally catching up with us here in the US. The streets are LITTERED with squids.
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why don'y you do yourself a favor and put me on ignore
born and raised in 213...im guessing try not to think
i also say San Fran, Frisco, Diego, SD, TJ, Hollywierd, Los Angeelees, eastlos, westlos.....and someone always gets butthurt about it .."thats not what WE call it around here"
Cali is what everyone here refers to it as, big deal
Everyone says Hollywierd!!! you forgot one more "The OC"....although nobody that actually lives here in Orange County calls it that.
sure, im over reacting now. Because you wouldn't care at all if this passed in your state
I've lived in SOCAL for the past 30 years and still here now. "IF" it passes we will deal with it after the 2013 year model years. It's been technically illegal for years around here to modify exhausts although LE officers rarely enforce it. In fact Termignoni exhaust boxes were printed "NOT LEGAL FOR STREET USE" for years. This is really nothing new!
I ride a Harley Ultra Classic (full dresser) almost everyday to and from work, Ive put 19K miles in 2 years so far while also driving my truck at times. I use a set of slip on mufflers on my bike that are MAYBE 5% louder than the pipes that come with it stock. I have them because the bike runs nicer, get better MPGs and it doesn't sound like a Jetsons flying car (you know, the chirping thing). THey are not loud by any stretch of the imagination.
here in LA we have A LOT, i mean A LOT of motorcyclist.
The great majority ride sportbikes around causing no problems, then after that id say there a lot of messenger type bikes...you know the type, FZ1s with a huge trunk and lots of reflective tape, no biggy. Then third would be the cruisers (Harleys and Metrics) which majority are guys that ride the things on a daily basis to a from work (like me) or out on a slow Sunday cruise to wherever.
great!
Now, the problem is with not a select few that make it a point to act like assholes on the roads of LA, and im sure all over SoCal, to the point hat cagers hate all motorcyclist, and in turn i hate them more than they do....the assholes, not all motorcyclist.
these dickwads abuse the law that allows for us to share the lane with cars (split traffic) and the huge amount of canyon roads that happen to be amongst lots of houses and business.
But thats not the biggest problem;
When splitting traffic, these should-have-been-a-blow-jobs split lanes by cranking their sportbikes til the rev limiter hits the roof or until they're Harley pipes catch fire in order to get cars attention so that hey can squeeze themselves through the huge opening thats there already, but they cant do it because they have no clue how to ride a bike.
Im behind these condom slips on my frikking Harley Ultra Classic full bagger! splitting traffic EASILY without annoying anyone at all, while they have to stop at every other car at rev them out of the way to continue.
Nevermind that splitting traffic is a privilege given to us...these donkey dicks go around acting as if they own the road and how dare cars don't give them a 15' foot gap to squeeze in between!!
The other kind of dickwad is the one that thinks the local canyon carved through residential neighborhoods in SoCAl (they're everywhere) are their own private raceway. They go around sprinting from straight to straight, parking it at every turn so that they can go around it without crashing, and nailing the gas again on the straight....you know, a ****ing squid.
these would all be fine and dandy if thats all they did and they crashed out of everyones way eventually, but!
Both of these conceived-with-weak-spearm darwin-not-working examples tend to use the loudest possible pipes they can find, because they think this makes an excellent matting call or something.
The problem? California is sick of it and now were all gonna have to wear stock pipes from now on, if they pass this shit, which from the looks of it, it will. Why? because every one that drives a car is for it.....and thats a lot of cars vs motorcyclist here in Cali.
end rant......
PS, **** you guys with mohawks on your helmet revving your bikes in traffic, **** you asshole with skull bandana on your face revving your Harley to a full 4k song, and **** you hooligan bike rider from UK that loves the fact he gets to use loud pipes here.
The problem? California is sick of it and now were all gonna have to wear stock pipes from now on, if they pass this shit, which from the looks of it, it will.
I ride a Harley Ultra Classic (full dresser) almost everyday to and from work, Ive put 19K miles in 2 years so far while also driving my truck at times. I use a set of slip on mufflers on my bike that are MAYBE 5% louder than the pipes that come with it stock. I have them because the bike runs nicer, get better MPGs and it doesn't sound like a Jetsons flying car (you know, the chirping thing). THey are not loud by any stretch of the imagination.
here in LA we have A LOT, i mean A LOT of motorcyclist.
The great majority ride sportbikes around causing no problems, then after that id say there a lot of messenger type bikes...you know the type, FZ1s with a huge trunk and lots of reflective tape, no biggy. Then third would be the cruisers (Harleys and Metrics) which majority are guys that ride the things on a daily basis to a from work (like me) or out on a slow Sunday cruise to wherever.
great!
Now, the problem is with not a select few that make it a point to act like assholes on the roads of LA, and im sure all over SoCal, to the point hat cagers hate all motorcyclist, and in turn i hate them more than they do....the assholes, not all motorcyclist.
these dickwads abuse the law that allows for us to share the lane with cars (split traffic) and the huge amount of canyon roads that happen to be amongst lots of houses and business.
But thats not the biggest problem;
When splitting traffic, these should-have-been-a-blow-jobs split lanes by cranking their sportbikes til the rev limiter hits the roof or until they're Harley pipes catch fire in order to get cars attention so that hey can squeeze themselves through the huge opening thats there already, but they cant do it because they have no clue how to ride a bike.
Im behind these condom slips on my frikking Harley Ultra Classic full bagger! splitting traffic EASILY without annoying anyone at all, while they have to stop at every other car at rev them out of the way to continue.
Nevermind that splitting traffic is a privilege given to us...these donkey dicks go around acting as if they own the road and how dare cars don't give them a 15' foot gap to squeeze in between!!
The other kind of dickwad is the one that thinks the local canyon carved through residential neighborhoods in SoCAl (they're everywhere) are their own private raceway. They go around sprinting from straight to straight, parking it at every turn so that they can go around it without crashing, and nailing the gas again on the straight....you know, a ****ing squid.
these would all be fine and dandy if thats all they did and they crashed out of everyones way eventually, but!
Both of these conceived-with-weak-spearm darwin-not-working examples tend to use the loudest possible pipes they can find, because they think this makes an excellent matting call or something.
The problem? California is sick of it and now were all gonna have to wear stock pipes from now on, if they pass this shit, which from the looks of it, it will. Why? because every one that drives a car is for it.....and thats a lot of cars vs motorcyclist here in Cali.
end rant......
PS, **** you guys with mohawks on your helmet revving your bikes in traffic, **** you asshole with skull bandana on your face revving your Harley to a full 4k song, and **** you hooligan bike rider from UK that loves the fact he gets to use loud pipes here.
There's a LOT between proposing a law, passing it and enforcing it.
For example in most of Europe is illegal to remove a baffle from an exhaust, you can have your bike impounded in some countries. Yet people do that all the time. How many get caught, fined etc? Maybe 2%? Police have other things to do and even when they are instructed to "crack down" they can only fine so many people, giving a pretty measly return.
On a "cost effective" basis it's much easier to run a few extra speed cameras. On a political basis it's easier to pass the law, enforce it for a week or two on a relatively "tight" basis (meaning a few "fishnet" operations), give it lot of media coverage on the media to appease the ones who clamored for it and then let it die a silent death by not enforcing it. People with loud exhausts also have a right to vote, you know...
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It`s been this way in Quebec for years now. You can thank the open-pipe poser boys (and girls) for that one (up here anyhow)...... As in most cases, laws are made for the precious few who lack the common sense to manage their own lives and behaviour.....
As many, I am totally fed up with noisy Harley Fergusons. The pathetic noise can be heard for a mile before they trundle by at 120db and 43 mph WFO. And my attitude is I'm sure what is prompting this law. The 2 am bar rush is particularly irritating in my area as these lemmings have their bravo juice in them and must prove to the world what a parking lot rev limiter is and how fast their tractor can go.
Yes, any bike can make obnoxious noise. D&D pipes on a 4cyl sportbikes come to mind. But with sportbikes, the noise dissipates quickly as they accelerate away from your proximity as opposed to the fergusons which seem to linger forever.
It has been fed law for oh, 25 years I'd say to not modify an exhaust system from whatever db rating is stamped in the tin. $10,000 fine blah blah blah. Simply read what is on a stock pipe, and IIRC it's 83db (if we still have them laying around that is)
I and everyone else I know have the obligatory neato cans on our sportbikes. The cans on my duc which are fairly noisy, are labeled as 102db. But I don't whack on it in residential areas therefore it's relatively stealth quiet. My kid rode it and while sitting in my lanai, I barely heard him come home with it other than the rattly clutch as he entered the garage.
Yes, thank you Harley/Jap cruiser riders for effing it up for everyone as usual.
* Lets see if it passes in Cali. Aahnold owns several bikes and correct me if wrong the law also applies to aftermarket car systems. I could expect lobbying money placed in someones pocket to influence a change in the bill to reflect something like 103db at the Cali state level. (fed already sez 83 but I'll conveniently ignore that)
Then there is the enforcement issue. Most cops could care less about pipes on a bike. But we all know there will be the gestapo tactics. A group of cops will frequent gathering places and look for the approval text on pipes. No need for arbitrary sound checks. No stamping = a nice big fat fine for us. Aah, the municipality/county makes the media happy, creates revenue and everybody on the govt payroll is happy. Going down the street alone a cop will easily stop a bike. If he can't getcha for speeding he'll simply look for the Good Housekeeping seal of approval on your pipes.
Phase 2 is the state going after the manufacturer of non 83db pipes. This is what they want at that level as the state sees big money suing the manufacturer. This has happened already and sidesteps hammering their constituency that vote. A nice transparent method we must admit. As a result, Harley has taken all louder aftermarket pipes out of their catalog a few years ago.
The real world flip side:
My kid is a cop around here and he doesn't give a shit about bikes as he doesn't ride, yet he hates harleys based on the propensity for drunks riding them and the noise. He lurves busting drunk harley riders. He asked his boss about writing bikes for loud pipes and the boss said it's merely a part of summer so ignore it. Boss rides a noisy bagger with skulls on it it seems.
Thank you to all you A-holes in Cali.....
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