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Old 03-05-2010, 10:19 PM
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Thumbs down Aprilia cheating in World Superbike....

Aprilia World Superbike Caught Cheating? - World Superbike 2010 News - Motorcycle USA

1st-shitty quality control installing bogus engine parts....

2nd-cheating on their cam drive....


what's next???
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What's next?
Winning?
Nah....
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Old 03-05-2010, 10:54 PM
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Cost cost cost... when I hear Mr.RC45's cam gear whine... go things are about to happen...
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Old 03-05-2010, 10:58 PM
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yeah...that gear whine is sweet sounding....few and far between nowadays.
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Old 03-05-2010, 10:59 PM
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when I hear Mr.RC45's cam gear whine... go things are about to happen...
To the engine?
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Old 03-05-2010, 11:15 PM
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To the engine?
To the seat of my pants...
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To the engine?
Nice!
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Old 03-06-2010, 01:23 AM
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Gear driven cams are generally unused on road bikes due to their high cost

this stuff is just drivel
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Seems to me like just another excessive expense needed to make the outdated V4 competitive.....
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:17 AM
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Seems to me like just another excessive expense needed to make the outdated V4 competitive.....

51 has them too
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Seems to me like just another excessive expense needed to make the outdated V4 competitive.....
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The [fact] that the RC45 was a "relative failure" is what matters most...
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:14 AM
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It already has a hyybrid chain/gear cam drive. Sounds like they replaced the chain portion. I can see the FIM telling them that they cannot use it until it is available as a kit for street riders, although in the early 90's kawasaki converted the ZX-7 to gear drive and that kit was all but unobtainable unless you had the last name Muzzy.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:20 AM
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I like these two passages:

“The method of cam drive must remain as homologated unless a complete kit is available through normal commercial channels. These kits must be available in significant quantity and be listed in the racing spare parts book.”

“Aftermarket or modified cam drive components are allowed, however the cam drive must be in the homologated location and the system must be as homologated.”

All Aprilia has to do is list it as available in the race kit, slap a completely silly price on it (10000€), show inspectors they have a number in their warehouse and they are good to roll. They've been in racing for decades and know perfectly well how things work.

PS: didn't Honda do a similar thing on the VF750F/Interceptor they were using in the AMA SBK class in the early '80s? I seem to recall the bikes used by Baldwin and Merkel had all sorts of frighteningly expensive parts back in the days (titanium valves and con rods, magnesium carburetors etc) including a gear driven cam conversion kit.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:20 AM
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51 has them too
Now maybe he'll be interested in gear driven cams for his highly modified VTR want a be RC51...
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It already has a hyybrid chain/gear cam drive. Sounds like they replaced the chain portion. I can see the FIM telling them that they cannot use it until it is available as a kit for street riders, although in the early 90's kawasaki converted the ZX-7 to gear drive and that kit was all but unobtainable unless you had the last name Muzzy.
IIRC, Muzzy got away with it because kawi already had bosses cast into the cases for gear shafts, thus no case modifying was needed.

Technically they were available to the public since Muzzy was selling his "Raptor" kit racebikes, which included the gear driven cams.
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Old 03-06-2010, 02:20 PM
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The 'priler is a nice bike , but if they indeed begin to use full geared cams for the racebike , then in my book the (chained cam) machine available to the public isn't the genuine plantform on which the sbk contender is supposed to be based , and therefore isn't worth the price . For a gearhead the type of cam drive is vital to the character of the motor and to the identity of the bike as it relates to the actual wsbk .
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The 'priler is a nice bike , but if they indeed begin to use full geared cams for the racebike , then in my book the (chained cam) machine available to the public isn't the genuine plantform on which the sbk contender is supposed to be based , and therefore isn't worth the price . For a gearhead the type of cam drive is vital to the character of the motor and to the identity of the bike as it relates to the actual wsbk .

i would agree
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Old 03-06-2010, 03:09 PM
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The rules state: “The method of cam drive must remain as homologated unless a complete kit is available through normal commercial channels. These kits must be available in significant quantity and be listed in the racing spare parts book.”


where is this kit available?
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The heads on the production motorcycle actually have the boss for the cam driven gears, but alas.... no kit!
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Now maybe he'll be interested in gear driven cams for his highly modified VTR want a be RC51...
Poor Larry, my VTR is an improved version of Honda's design with no aspirations of becoming an RC51 (if I wanted an RC51, I would just go out and buy one). You seem obsessed with this virtual thing, going on and on about the new R1 being a virtual V4 when in fact, it's just an improved I4. Wanting to improve something does not mean wanting to turn it into something else. Just because you are trying to turn your 45 into a virtual race-winning motorcycle (something it failed rather miserably at way back in the nineties) does not mean we are all guided by the same obsession....
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