Ducati's big banger V4...

[Busy Little Shop]

Originally Posted by Old Baldy

All true, Larry. Pity of course, that Honda switched back to the screamer again to go faster still, eh.

Thanks Barry... I always enjoy our discussions... it's a shame I can't say
the same about others who enjoy attacking me or my bike...

Actually it wasn't a pity... because Honda was dead set against the
team going back the screamer but Doohan threaten HRC... (after all
Mick was the hottest property and Yamaha was always in the wings with
a standing offer)...

Technically speaking the screamer was slightly faster due to the fact it
allowed the volume of air available in the air box to recover before the next
cylinders emptied it again... it wasn't faster due to the 180º offset crank
pins... it's possible that air box volume issues is behind Ducati's decision to
offset the 990 crank pins... it's shame the manufactures are so secretive...

Quote MCN:

"Doohan felt he'd become stale during '96 by simply going
through the motions to wrap up his third straight crown, and
he needed something to rekindle the old fire. He found it in
a return to his "screamer" non-Big Bang NSR motor,
notoriously difficult to control.

It looked like a gamble, but whatever it was it worked
with devastating effect. He even enjoyed the pre-season
testing where he obliterated his rivals' times, leaving
everyone wondering how they were going to beat him even
before the first green light in Malaysia.
Defeat was rare, but when it was inflicted Doohan found it
as hard to take as ever. Victory is everything to Doohan, in
every race, !IS his brilliant victory III the British GP confirmed.
Settling for the top seven finish he needed for the title was
never an option for him and he rode the wheels off his bike
to win the race, and the championship, from the front."

[Busy Little Shop]

Originally Posted by twin-nut

Mikstr spends more time on this forum goating or responding to Larry than all other posts combined. Telling I think.

I agree... Telling... why just 3 days ago...

Originally Posted by mikstr

sorry Baldy, I didn't mean to inflict the swarm upon you. Anyhow, Crazy Larry is back on my ignore list. I can't handle his crap any more....

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Filippo Preziosi On The New Ducati Engine And The New 1000cc MotoGP Formula | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks

[nomo]

Wouldn't it be great to see a new young alien challenging on a non-prototype bike ? Not holding my breath .

[Old Baldy]

great link, thanks.
ahhh, the ebb and flow of technology....I love it.

[mikstr]

I agree Baldy, and it seems most of us do. One thing I found odd is how they make reference to the new Duc engine sounding more like the M1 (which is not a "big bang" engine and relatively close to a 90 deg spacing/180 crank combination if I recall correctly).... I guess time will tell how they changed it.

[johnyisthedevil]

ah yes the yamaha has exactly the same firing sequence as the 180* vfr

[twin-nut]

Nice post mikstr, I'm sure it's not easy to ignore Larry but behavior is best changed through positive feedback not negative. And I always appreciate your insight on snowmobiles, wish I had one.

"RC-45 is an over-priced , over-hyped , underachieving , NON-big bang bike I'd love to own "
-Agree with all except underachieving. While honda certainly overspent on the competition, it is their way in motorsports to try and win a little different than the competition, and they do not care if it costs more because corporate profit is not always primary when it comes to trying to win or make a point. The longevity of the RC45 while expensive was impressive to some like me. It is not as if they inched up the displacement over the years to make up for what the main competition was doing, which was exactly that.

[mrgrn]

Originally Posted by twin-nut

Nice post mikstr, I'm sure it's not easy to ignore Larry but behavior is best changed through positive feedback not negative. And I always appreciate your insight on snowmobiles, wish I had one.

"RC-45 is an over-priced , over-hyped , underachieving , NON-big bang bike I'd love to own "
-Agree with all except underachieving. While honda certainly overspent on the competition, it is their way in motorsports to try and win a little different than the competition, and they do not care if it costs more because corporate profit is not always primary when it comes to trying to win or make a point. The longevity of the RC45 while expensive was impressive to some like me. It is not as if they inched up the displacement over the years to make up for what the main competition was doing, which was exactly that.

they could have slapped FI on the RC30 but thought it would be too much the same bike so they almost started over completely and how many companies can do that

like i have said since 1988 to 2002 Honda won WSBK and other series with 3 different bikes and different configs and that is no easy task

[G8RDuc]

Originally Posted by Busy Little Shop

Thanks Barry... I always enjoy our discussions... it's a shame I can't say
the same about others who enjoy attacking me or my bike...

Maybe because you post the same shite over and over again? Talking about people that force their religions on others, you're the perfect example.

[mikstr]

Come now, surely you`re not suggesting that Larry being on so many people`s ignore list is somehow his doing? Shame on you....

[G8RDuc]

Originally Posted by mikstr

Come now, surely you`re not implying that Larry being on so many people`s ignore list is somehow his doing? Shame on you....

I know I know...sorry bout that....

[mikstr]

as you should be....

[Busy Little Shop]

Originally Posted by G8RDuc

Maybe because you post the same shite over and over again? Talking about people that force their religions on others, you're the perfect example.

My religion is MotoGp and Reno Air Racing... besides I can not force you to
read anything that you don't wish to read... so do like mikstr and quit reading
my stuff...

[mrgrn]

Originally Posted by G8RDuc

Maybe because you post the same shite over and over again? Talking about people that force their religions on others, you're the perfect example.

Random FWIW. people don't force their religion on you they believe what they hear and read and that is to try to help people and do what they are asked. they are following directions like when you stop at a red light anf go on green, don't be so anti direction. if you want to go on red and stop on green fine but don't blame others for waving at you trying to save you from a head on

[G8RDuc]

Originally Posted by Busy Little Shop

My religion is MotoGp and Reno Air Racing... besides I can not force you to
read anything that you don't wish to read... so do like mikstr and quit reading
my stuff...

Why should I have to even bother since you're the inconsiderate one that trashes every good thread with your crap? Besides the point that you're constantly preaching to the choir...

[G8RDuc]

FWIW, it is forcing it on you when every thread you look at has his bullshit in it. Quite different from following directions, unless he's under some hypnotic spell from aliens that tell him to push his V4 agenda on everyone.

Originally Posted by mrgrn

Random FWIW. people don't force their religion on you they believe what they hear and read and that is to try to help people and do what they are asked. they are following directions like when you stop at a red light anf go on green, don't be so anti direction. if you want to go on red and stop on green fine but don't blame others for waving at you trying to save you from a head on

[mrgrn]

Originally Posted by G8RDuc

FWIW, it is forcing it on you when every thread you look at has his bullshit in it. Quite different from following directions, unless he's under some hypnotic spell from aliens that tell him to push his V4 agenda on everyone.

but here you are on a V4 thread wondering why Larry is preachin V4

i have found the layy thing now comical too be honest. the 3-4 largest complainers of larry's v4 babble happen to post even more indirectly/directly in all V4 threads or about the v4 then larry combined

Maybe if we ban these 3-4 people the rest of us will not notice the lead on and bait by them to larry and he will quiet down

just a thought

[G8RDuc]

No different then when he posts on every other thread. What's good for the goose is good....

Originally Posted by mrgrn

but here you are on a V4 thread wondering why Larry is preachin V4

i have found the layy thing now comical too be honest. the 3-4 largest complainers of larry's v4 babble happen to post even more indirectly/directly in all V4 threads or about the v4 then larry combined

Maybe if we ban these 3-4 people the rest of us will not notice the lead on and bait by them to larry and he will quiet down

just a thought

[Busy Little Shop]

Originally Posted by G8RDuc

No different then when he posts on every other thread. What's good for the goose is good....

It's all good... Speedzilla will discuss V4 if they want to...