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Engineering "Brain Drain" Sees Yamaha Technicians Move To Repsol Honda | MotoMatters.com | Kropotkin Thinks
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Everyone knows that no one does anything on that team. It's Burgess and Rossi and everyone else is just there for show.
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Could we see a Honda I4 in future MotoGP competition? Boy, wouldn't that be ironic, lol Of course, it could get them back to winning, something their current package obviously isn't doing....

Ok Larry, unleash the diagrams, lol

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Old 11-03-2009, 12:35 AM
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OMG! a Honda I4 Cross plane?
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OMG! a Honda I4 Cross plane?
Don't be ridiculous, Honda is going to break new ground with all the ground-breaking technology HRC can muster.

A V1.

You heard it it first.
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I know, how could they possibly live without the "cube-like" case and its added rigidity, not to mention the 35% reduction in aero resistance, and that, friends, is just the tip of the iceberg! Oh wait, they haven't won anything since 2006. Hmmmm, maybe it's time to move onto the winning recipe... Oh the irony of it all, lol
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Don't be ridiculous, Honda is going to break new ground with all the ground-breaking technology HRC can muster.

A V1.

You heard it it first.
Now THAT would be revolutionary!
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From Soup:

"Moreover, several Fiat Yamaha technicians will be leaving the team and reportedly signing with Honda for 2010. Most of these come from Lorenzo's electronics team."

As I suspected, Rossi's crew is, by and large, staying put. It will be interesting to see what effect this has on Jorge's crew next season, whether this maounts to a brain drain or a zero-sum gain for the teams.
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they haven't won anything since 2006.
That Championship was more rider than bike.
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Yea, no matter what they build, they still need someone to ride the MF, and where are they gonna get that? THEY have already pissed off every rider with any gonads...
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Could we see a Honda I4 in future MotoGP competition? Boy, wouldn't that be ironic, lol Of course, it could get them back to winning, something their current package obviously isn't doing....

Ok Larry, unleash the diagrams, lol

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Honda decided that old I4 architecture was no longer a part of their Gp
racing back in the 70s... rather they adopted the new cube block short
crank narrow V4 architecture for all it's inherent advantages... Yamaha's
cross plane crank I4 mimics what a V4 does naturally... give the rider more
confidence at the edge grip...

Quote Kevin Cameron...

"In the mid 1970s, Honda awoke from the pleasant dream of its new
automotive success to find its old dominance of the bike market in
danger. A fresh engineering focus was needed, not just more UJMs.
While engineers sought a new concept that could sustain long
development, the company dazzled the public with glamorous but
derivative models like the six-cylinder CBX. The past was no key to
the future. Honda's 1960s GP bikes found power in lots of small
cylinders, turning tremendous revs-but as revs rose, internal friction
took evermore of the power generated. Much of the loss came from
vibration,leading to parts misalignment. A new engine architecture was
needed-one naturally braced against vibratory forces."

"A "freshman class" of young engineers was set to the task of
developing radical ideas. The natural alternative was a V-Four. Narrow
and compact, it would also have perfect primary balance, a great
improvement over the buzzy, second-order vibration of inline Fours. In
testing, the cube-like crankcase of a V-Four was indeed found to be
inherently more rigid than the longer, beam-like case of an inline
engine. This translated to reduced friction loss at higher rpm-just
what the company needed as a basis for a new product line."
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what advantages Larry? We need diagrams!!!!!
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OMG! a Honda I4 Cross plane?
Honda is super happy with V4 in MotoGp... but I could see them release a
version of the cross plane crank to the public... however I hope they will
release a new race bred V4 instead...
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Honda is super happy with V4 in MotoGp...
how could they not be? After all, they're spending money and not getting any results Championship-wise. Isn't that the goal of the exercise (ie. a make-work program for acoountants)?

Now, about those diagrams Larry.....
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what advantages Larry? We need diagrams!!!!!
another thread slips into the abyss?...
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how could they not be? After all, they're spending money and not getting any results Championship-wise. Isn't that the goal of the exercise (ie. a make-work program for acoountants)?


That's a better question for Kawasaki and Suzuki... because out of 8
possible MotoGp titles Honda has won 3 championships... Yamaha 4 and
Ducati 1... Suzuki 0 Kawasaki 0...

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Now, about those diagrams Larry.....
Can you say pretty please???
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Damnit Larry! We asked for PICTURES and CHARTS and GRAPHS! We OPEN THIS UP for you and you didn't bite..

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Actually the Honda V4 is not the stellar success in modern MotoGp as some of you think it is!!! Actually the better configuration for Honda is the V5!!!!
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