Haga has already been WSBK Champion Once - Page 2

vanessa · #21 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 10:35 AM

just joshing BC,you listed the option!would love to see Haga win one before he bows out,though he's making it tough for himself again.or should i say Spies is making it tough for him?

dhdrider · #22 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 02:05 PM

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...it happened all because of a natural herbal product...

Yea, because "natural herbal products" are always safe and good for you and not on banned substances list.

If the pakage says "whole grain" or "organic" it can't make me fat, right?

bsess · #23 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 03:21 PM

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Your an angry little man arn't you...

I'll bet money, Haga didn't even read the ilicid drug section because why would he be taking a drug that was banned? I just watched the 2000 season of WSBK when he was banned and it happened all because of a natural herbal product.

Did he deserve to have those points taken away? Absolutely not and the team fought for the entire year to get them re-instated and the appeals lost. Needless to say he still wouldn't have won, which is the reason why this conversation happened. Edwards was already too high and Corser had won 5 races around mid-season and was on the rise.

Finally, the team is ultimately responsible for the rider. In the case of Yamaha, it was NOT Haga's team, he was just a rider on the team. Its the team manager and nutritionist's fault, for not following the rule book.

The difference between the way you think the world should be versus the way things really are is substantial enough to reflect your lack of understanding and experience in terms that are as opposed as fantasy and reality.

Accountability is a cornerstone of credibility and success and even if we make mistakes due to a lack of knowledge or understanding of what is expected of us, we must ultimately take responsibility if we are to overcome our mistakes and be taken seriously. This concept of taking responsibility is something that you seem to have difficulty understanding and embracing and was demonstrated here by your inability to man up to your careless prevarications regarding your racing exploits. Liars and those who blame others for their failures are people who are afraid to take responsibility for their mistakes.

The reality is that Haga, whether knowingly or unknowingly, cheated as per the rules of the game. It was his responsibility to know the rules. Not his team or his dietitians. The sooner you learn this lesson, Tye, the sooner people will begin to take you more seriously in whatever you endeavor to do in life.

sburns2421 · #24 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 03:32 PM

The Tye vs (insert name here) arguments are becoming as common as irrelavent praises for the V4 engine configuration.

I don't know whether to try to calm it down or throw some gas on the fire...

you decide.

Novecento SS · #25 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 05:29 PM

Thats nonsense... its not Haga's fault

sounds marxist... is it the gun manufacturers fault when some nut goes on a shooting rampage??

Take resp for your actions.. man up ... nobody force him to swallow

tye1138 · #26 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bsess

The difference between and the way you think the world should be versus the way things really are is substantial enough to reflect your lack of understanding and experience in terms that are as opposed as fantasy and reality.

That isn't even a sentence. Does anyone wanna translate?

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Originally Posted by bsess

The reality is that Haga, whether knowingly or unknowingly, cheated as per the rules of the game. It was his responsibility to know the rules. Not his team or his dietitians. The sooner you learn this lesson, Tye, the sooner people will begin to take you more seriously in whatever you endeavor to do in life.

Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. That would mean, either the team knew the rules and knew the consequences OR they didn't know what they were feeding Haga was the inappropriate thing and it was illegal. How do you think Yamaha racing felt about the teams mis-judgement of the situation? These are professional racers, professional teams, if they thought anything was going to happen with the illicid drug intake from Haga, they would have forced him to not take it. These guys don't dick around and they obviously didn't know because if they did, they'd not bother showing up to race. It costs way too much money to race at that level to clown around with drugs and rule book regulations.

Perhaps Haga was doing it behind everyones back? But if that were the case, he should have been kicked off the team.

BC999S · #27 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vanessa

just joshing BC,you listed the option!would love to see Haga win one before he bows out,though he's making it tough for himself again.or should i say Spies is making it tough for him?

No offence taken whatsoever. Like you say, I listed that option. I appreciated your response (ya rat bastard)

You're right, Haga is making it tough on himself and Spies ain't helping matters.

BC999S · #28 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 07:14 PM

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Way to hedge yourself. So you got both the frontrunners covered and didn't have to pick one or the other. Either way, "you told us so".

Its just like an ///M3 driver to see through my thinly-veiled plan of Speedzilla domination.

BC999S · #29 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tye1138

That isn't even a sentence. Does anyone wanna translate?

Actually, that is a sentence - and a great one at that. With all due respect, the fact that you need it translated speaks volumes.

Bsess:

bsess · #30 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 08:19 PM

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Actually, that is a sentence - and a great one at that. With all due respect, the fact that you need it translated speaks volumes.

Bsess:

After re-reading my post, I noticed that I did make a mistake (the conjunction and after "The difference between...." should not be there. An error of sloppiness and oversight on my part. Its fixed now. Comprehension on behalf of the intended recipient is another matter entirely.

Chuckracer · #31 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Perhaps the greatest three paragraphs I've ever seen on this or any other message board. And the response is the icing on the cake - a punchline that couldn't have delivered better if rehearsed.

bsess, bravo!

roadkill · #32 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tye1138

That isn't even a sentence. Does anyone wanna translate?

Cheating is an act of lying, deception, fraud, trickery, imposture, or imposition. That would mean, either the team knew the rules and knew the consequences OR they didn't know what they were feeding Haga was the inappropriate thing and it was illegal. How do you think Yamaha racing felt about the teams mis-judgement of the situation? These are professional racers, professional teams, if they thought anything was going to happen with the illicid drug intake from Haga, they would have forced him to not take it. These guys don't dick around and they obviously didn't know because if they did, they'd not bother showing up to race. It costs way too much money to race at that level to clown around with drugs and rule book regulations.

Perhaps Haga was doing it behind everyones back? But if that were the case, he should have been kicked off the team.

You obviously know nothing about this incident and yet you feel compelled to write a 500 word essay on it.

Yamaha had nothing to do with Nori's diet pill ingestion and only found out about it when the test results came back.

duckdawg · #33 (**permalink**) 07-02-2009, 09:53 PM

too much sushia?...

Jami6989 · #34 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 02:09 AM

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Its just like an ///M3 driver to see through my thinly-veiled plan of Speedzilla domination.

Don't pick on the injured. It's not nice.

boom boom · #35 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 02:25 AM

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Don't pick on the injured. It's not nice.

well at least you had the sense to rid yourself of those horrible bridgestone turanza run flats

Jami6989 · #36 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 03:12 AM

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well at least you had the sense to rid yourself of those horrible bridgestone turanza run flats

Mine came w/ Michelin runflats and I'm quite happy with them.

Tire was covered under wheel and tire insurance so that saved me $500.

Threadjack over! Back to the Haga leghumping.

tye1138 · #37 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by roadkill

You obviously know nothing about this incident and yet you feel compelled to write a 500 word essay on it.

Yamaha had nothing to do with Nori's diet pill ingestion and only found out about it when the test results came back.

Don't you think thats the reason why I said:

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Originally Posted by tye1138

Perhaps Haga was doing it behind everyones back? But if that were the case, he should have been kicked off the team.

I mean, I've got that race weekend complete, with all the commentary that went before it and after it. If his team didn't know, as you put it, then well... they should have fired Haga.

tye1138 · #38 (**permalink**) 07-03-2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bsess

After re-reading my post, I noticed that I did make a mistake (the conjunction and after "The difference between...." should not be there. An error of sloppiness and oversight on my part. Its fixed now. Comprehension on behalf of the intended recipient is another matter entirely.

Well, it was gracious of you to make the alteration and now everything makes perfect sense.

Ohh and its funny how you can decipher who I am based on a hand-full of posts you've read on a garbage forum where everyone has "personalities" not associated with reality. It was you who erred this time, making assumptions with no backing but what was uttered here. So your very well written diatribe means absolutely nothing outside of Speedzilla! I did get you to waste more of your day though, a task I'm presently very good at.