MonoGP "SuperSingles"

RCJAY · #1 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:22 PM

I hear next year AMA will start a new feeder series "MonoGP SuperSingles" what do you guys think about that and the bikes? I didn't know too much about them until I had some wiring problem with my track bike for months I couldn't fix and a friend referred me to "Martin at southbay GP in Torrence" which he is Tyler Odom's mech and crew chief. Martin seem to be building them and testing them as well. He has like half a dozen of them and when I threw my legs over one I was sold. If felt bigger then a RS125, smaller then todays 600 and light as a feather. The horse power is a bit down but I bet the corner speed should be sick on one of these things. This year Honda and others just came out with a EFI model of the CRF 450 so thats going to be easyier to manage then the carb ones. Here a pix.

RCJAY · #2 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:43 PM

The price I got was around $12,000 yaks it comes with Mach motard wheels, the geometry is a copy of a gp 250 racer. It also has custom forks cut to reduce travel and a racetek triples to set rake and trail. Custom fairing stays, rearsets, custom big brembo brakes and disk etc etc. It looks like a blast, he offer me a test ride next time Tyler and company go test on buttonwillow. What you guys think, likey or no likey?

dj_wawa · #3 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 08:53 PM

wow they're looking real good, but at 6'2" I'm sure it's built for smaller riders

Digby · #4 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 09:11 PM

I think I'm in love.......

hank · #5 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 09:19 PM

Here is the super singles web site:
450Forum.com - Super Single Racing talk for Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Honda, KTM, Husky, and More

I would very much like to see this class become a reality... however, IIRC, the WERA series for this class was basically DOA for lack of interest.

Furious Styles · #6 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:05 PM

12k is a bit high.

Break mine down to a simple poor mans bike, and i'm in.

Either that, or I'll buy a honda 450 and build it for less and have fun doing it.

But other than that... its a great idea... a great piece of work... and about time someone did it.

This would a great bike for any weekend warrior and club racer to take out and go racing.

Make it a Honda instead... cause parts and bikes are every where.

RCJAY · #7 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:08 PM

Yes if you do built it your self it can be in the 7-8k range. However useless you can fab a bunch of stuff is kinda hard.

duckdawg · #8 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:10 PM

I'll have a full on SV with spares, and take everybody out for a steak dinner after the trackday...

or tits and brewskies, whichever you prefer...

RCJAY · #9 (**permalink**) 06-30-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_wawa

wow they're looking real good, but at 6'2" I'm sure it's built for smaller riders

You be surprise, I have seen a 5"10 to 6"0 on a RS125 and fast as hell. This bike has alots more leg room. Its just a bit smaller then a 600.

viper1 · #10 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 02:22 AM

Yeah and the dumbass's at AMA will probably put some stupid rule that only 16 year olds will be able to race them.

stk0308 · #11 (**permalink**) 07-01-2009, 12:52 PM

Great concept, but the execution ends up costing a lot more time and MONEY than the spin lets on. Don't even get me started on the asspacking Roland Sands will give you to buy one of his versions. As duckdawg pointed out, until the supply of very cheap and reliable SV650s dry up, this will not be the poor mans series.

Britt · #12 (**permalink**) 07-05-2009, 02:31 PM

$$$$$.$$ x $$= Competitive bike
+ without a FIRM Rules package, that is Enforced, to make it a dead even class, that would make it Interesting, if not, it will be Boring....it would be just a line of bikes with no passing and gaps between the haves and have nots....

But then the next question is do you really want 10-15 riders of medium experience ridng right ontop of each other for whatever the number of laps?? One miscue....and you have a pileup.

But then again these bikes are s l o w......so it may not matter, they may bore the fans out of the stands and make themselves extinct..

ate51 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-09-2009, 04:29 PM

No arguing how cool and how fun one of these things would be but as far as a competitive series for up and coming young riders destined to break into the pro ranks . . . not so much. From Roadracingworld what someone has to say about it who has run them in the dirt and on the asphalt at the national level. Very maintenance intensive and expensive. One heck of a lot more than a nice SV or about the same as a year old AMA ss 600.

AA fun trackday bike for sure but there are lots of cheaper ways to get on the track.

ate51 · #14 (**permalink**) 07-09-2009, 04:29 PM

Linkey would help. Apologies.
Hey, Here's An Idea! How About We Ask Somebody Who Has Done It, About Road Racing 450cc Singles? News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

banda · #15 (**permalink**) 07-09-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ate51

Linkey would help. Apologies.
Hey, Here's An Idea! How About We Ask Somebody Who Has Done It, About Road Racing 450cc Singles? News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

This backs up an assertion I made a long time ago - that riding a supermoto on a road course just gives you more bad lines to choose from.

I've had the same experience with a 450cc MX engine in supermoto competition - they require a LOT of maintenance. I can't imagine that road racing would be any better.

Superhawk69 · #16 (**permalink**) 07-09-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by banda

This backs up an assertion I made a long time ago - that riding a supermoto on a road course just gives you more bad lines to choose from.

I've had the same experience with a 450cc MX engine in supermoto competition - they require a LOT of maintenance. I can't imagine that road racing would be any better.

Yeah, I for one can't imagine those bikes on a road coarse for long periods of time. Even at a course like Jennings in FL, those things are WFO for a long time. Heck my SV650 with a 47T on the rear tops out in 6th on the back stretch just before shut off...
My friend rides those bikes in Motocross form and even then it's constant maintanance.

Road America and other places would kill them off unless someone's going to gear them correctly for each track. I just don't see it when you are trying to promote cheap and easy way in, when you don't run SV, EX's and the like. DMG... they just don't make sense. As someone said... Delusional Motorsports Group.

sburns2421 · #17 (**permalink**) 07-09-2009, 07:33 PM

If they were able to somehow impose a redline that was lower than normal would it help the bikes live longer?

roadkill · #18 (**permalink**) 07-10-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sburns2421

If they were able to somehow impose a redline that was lower than normal would it help the bikes live longer?

If it was around 2,500, then yes.