I think this is the 7th one I've personaly heard of. So please guys if you have a Suzuki, be vigilant and check those frames. and screw that epoxied brace. my recomendation would be well first get a different bike, but if you absolutely have to have your gixxer. have somebody weld a biscuit across those joints to spread the load, as you should any butt welded joint.
The ONLY times I've ever seen this happen (again I said the only one's I'VE seen...) have been due to "stunting" and not track riding......
-Rocky-
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The above was track riding on the brakes. regardless it is still something that Suzuki owners should look out for. so please fellers, check over those frames with a fine tooth comb and take the necessary steps to ensure your bike isn't going to cleave itself in twain. whether you stunt, race or just ride.
The ONLY times I've ever seen this happen (again I said the only one's I'VE seen...) have been due to "stunting" and not track riding......
-Rocky-
None of the ones that I had in my shop or the ones I have seen at the dealer ship were stunted either and the frames and swingarm all broke right down the middle of the welds.
The ONLY times I've ever seen this happen (again I said the only one's I'VE seen...) have been due to "stunting" and not track riding......
-Rocky-
Rocky, this has happened SO many times now with riders in track days and racing events that it is a documented defect with the weld being done by a machine.....as a DIRECT result, Suzuki went back to hand welding. Of course, if you consider WERA racing to be stunting, you may have a point.
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Hell man, you can look at the broken cross section and tell that not only was the weld section not prepped right, but the heat was waaay too cold. Just because a weld looks "pretty" on the outside, dose'nt mean it's a good weld, and that wasn't a good weld...
I have a '07 600 racebike I bought used with 1250 miles on it been down twice so I was told. I have done 8 trackdays on it to date, no problems to date. I thoroughly inspected the frame before purchase. I had one of the recalled '06 1000's, performed the brace and inspection on it and to date not a problem with it. I sold it to a stunter and if it were going to snap in half I suspect it would have already done it by now but it has not. I was thinking of getting some of that two step frame spray from my dealer and performing the inspection on my 600 similar to what was done on the 1000 but just have not got around to it. The chemical supposedly will bring a non-visible crack to the surface. Honestly I am not loosing any sleep over this.
I did some searches on the WERA board and Suzuki boards. There are no large numbers of posts or complaints on this frame issue from racers of the GSXR. There were some in 2006 and 2007 about the 1000 frames but none about 600/750. Of course it is possible that this happens from "normal" use and track riding/racing. It is not probable though. It is also unlikely that all these failures go unreported. It also makes no sense for Suzuki to ignore the problem, if it is a manufacturing defect, from a liability stand point. Now crashing is a whole different issue. Clearly these newer frames, from all makes, do not stand up when crashed. They also can not be straightened as in the old days. As posted before, the lighter, stiffer frames have become more brittle in general. Just my opinion here. It seems this really is beating a dead horse.
Rocky, this has happened SO many times now with riders in track days and racing events that it is a documented defect with the weld being done by a machine.....as a DIRECT result, Suzuki went back to hand welding. Of course, if you consider WERA racing to be stunting, you may have a point.
I stand corrected then sir.
-Rocky-
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WELD DEFECT, Incomplete Penetration, I have seen at least 12 of them with my own eyes, every single one of them was a result of a bad weld.
I have seen one at RoadAtlanta in turn 7 low side and snap in half...I also fixed that one, and 5 others....that were also broke clean in two at the weld joint...600/750's
It is also a bad joint design to me, it is just a straight butt joint with no interface fitment.
In my opinion it is the luck of the draw, if you get one that is from "line start up, shift change, anytime when the machine is not up to heat/speed, you will end up with a 2 pc frame.
I just saw an 09 1000 today it looks like a much better frame design, guess we will see how those welds hold up.
WELD DEFECT, Incomplete Penetration, I have seen at least 12 of them with my own eyes, every single one of them was a result of a bad weld.
I have seen one at RoadAtlanta in turn 7 low side and snap in half...I also fixed that one, and 5 others....that were also broke clean in two at the weld joint...600/750's
It is also a bad joint design to me, it is just a straight butt joint with no interface fitment.
In my opinion it is the luck of the draw, if you get one that is from "line start up, shift change, anytime when the machine is not up to heat/speed, you will end up with a 2 pc frame.
I just saw an 09 1000 today it looks like a much better frame design, guess we will see how those welds hold up.
I will defer to you. Is there a fix? Or just wait till it happens?
I think that the nature of my post may have offended some of you. My intention was not to batter the reputation of Suzuki, but just to bring to the front of peoples mind that there is something severely wrong with some of these frames. not all, but some. and it's not just stunted 1000s. it's 600s and 750s too. Daily riders, commuters, track bikes, highway bombers and stunters. nobody is safe from it by the way they ride. it realy shouldn't matter how they are used. does a stoppie realy generate that much more load than threshold braking at the track, or a panic stop situation? I don't think so. the design is flawed and the welds are shotty at best. if you have one of these bikes and it has not cracked or broken, I am very happy for you. I hope that it never does. I meant no offense. But please keep an eye on it and inspect them regularly.or better yet have somebody qualified reweld it and reinforce it so that it's a proper joint. I'll resume my Suzuki bashing in another thread that doesn't have as serious of a subject.
WELD DEFECT, Incomplete Penetration, I have seen at least 12 of them with my own eyes, every single one of them was a result of a bad weld.
I have seen one at RoadAtlanta in turn 7 low side and snap in half...I also fixed that one, and 5 others....that were also broke clean in two at the weld joint...600/750's
It is also a bad joint design to me, it is just a straight butt joint with no interface fitment.
In my opinion it is the luck of the draw, if you get one that is from "line start up, shift change, anytime when the machine is not up to heat/speed, you will end up with a 2 pc frame.
I just saw an 09 1000 today it looks like a much better frame design, guess we will see how those welds hold up.
Britt, here is a sato weld can you tell me what is wrong here?
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I also remember something being said about the recall of the Suzuki frames that bikes that have crashed as a result of this were not being covered under the factory recall. F'd up and more like attorney territory.
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ok we get it. you're mad because your exhaust bracket broke AFTER the warranty period and Sato won't warranty it. noted. so what exactly does this have to do with a Suzuki frame?
NYC this is the first I've heard of that, but if you have some more info please share so that we can all be more informed and safe. It'd be a shame to see more people get hurt because of this.
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