holy crap, race 2 was epic. good on Rae. what a battle! and did you see how bad his bike was chattering? ride of a lifetime. to bad for Spies, but still a great performance all things considered.
Yeah, that last MotoGP race was a real snoozer...about as much fun as watching paint dry.
One lap outta 24. Epic battle! EVERY WSBK weekend has at least one race with that same last lap action. Count the number of passes for the lead in GPs all year, compare that to one WSBK weekend and I'd be interested to see the number.
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why don'y you do yourself a favor and put me on ignore
Both WSBK races were interesting... though the crowning moment was Spies banging on his tank after race 2. You can finally see his frustration because until now, its been cooped up. As Spies says; If every weekend they're only taking 5 points out of Haga's now 48 point lead, the championship is his!
Ducati made a poor tire choice (intermediate fronts) on both bikes, they also screwed up the time for the switch. Thats the ONLY reason why Fabrizio and Haga weren't playing at the front with Spies in the LATER 1/2 of race 1.
It was great to see Johnny up front, he was just incredible in race 2. Haga ran out of stamina and Fabrizio tried everything in the book, yet still couldn't make a win out of it.
Next up, Donington park a place where Shaky Byrne goes well and so does Haga... it could be quite the Ducati battle this weekend and I wouldn't doubt if Shaky takes the pole from Spies.
Next up, Donington park a place where Shaky Byrne goes well and so does Haga... it could be quite the Ducati battle this weekend and I wouldn't doubt if Shaky takes the pole from Spies.
I'd like to see Camier and Ellison hold up the Ducati boys too since they will be out there also. A little "team" help couldn't hurt. They already raced there this year so they should get up to a relatively decent speed quite quickly.
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why don'y you do yourself a favor and put me on ignore
As Spies says; If every weekend they're only taking 5 points out of Haga's now 48 point lead, the championship is his!
That is notwhat he said. If you were a journalist, you'd be fired by nine out of ten editors and a retraction would have to be printed. Accuracy in the retelling of events does not seem to be one of your strong points.
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Ducati made a poor tire choice (intermediate fronts) on both bikes, they also screwed up the time for the switch. Thats the ONLY reason why Fabrizio and Haga weren't playing at the front with Spies in the LATER 1/2 of race 1.
As far as tire choice is concerned, I think Spies was on the exact same tire combination. Regarding the decision when to come into the pits, hindsight is 20/20. The fact is that the Xerox Ducati Team are the ones who have been very lucky so far because if you eliminate the bad luck and errors made by Spies' Yamaha team thus far, Spies would easily be leading the championship by a wide margin.
That is notwhat he said. If you were a journalist, you'd be fired by nine out of ten editors and a retraction would have to be printed. Accuracy in the retelling of events does not seem to be one of your strong points.
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Five points just doesn't cut it. We've just given away too many points on mechanical problems. It's frustrating. Every time I seem to start getting some momentum and getting back into the championship picture, something like this happens. All I can do is go to Donington and start over again.
Umm, sounds like pretty much what I said...
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As far as tire choice is concerned, I think Spies was on the exact same tire combination. Regarding the decision when to come into the pits, hindsight is 20/20. The fact is that the Xerox Ducati Team are the ones who have been very lucky so far because if you eliminate the bad luck and errors made by Spies' Yamaha team thus far, Spies would easily be leading the championship by a wide margin.
That is totally incorrect, here is a quote from Haga:
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I went back out on an intermediate/slick tyre combination that was perhaps not so suitable because in the final laps I was finding it difficult to maintain my pace and couldn't push as I wanted to.
Ducati made a POOR tire choice and also brought Haga in too late. Had he gone out on slicks like Ben Spies AND changed bikes at the same time, things would have been very different. Don't forget, Spies was one of the first people to change bikes and Haga was 3 laps later. Plus Haga was suffering from wet tire issues early in the race, so it already looked grim for him.
Your right, had Ben Spies mechanical issues not plagued him all season, he would be on top of the championship. But then again, how many more times would he have crashed, having already 3 races with no points? Had a bird not run into Haga's arm in Monza and caused him to eventually crash out of race 2, what would have happened? I mean, Ben has had the worst luck of anybody in the last few years. The Ducati team is having a typically good year, but if Ben Spies wasn't around, the Ducati Boys would be 1/2 and nobody would even be near them in points.
I have mixed emotions about the whole Yamaha thing. Half of me is happy Yamaha is ruining their reputation as being a reliable bike this season. The other half of me is upset its with two excellent riders, Ben Spies and Tom Sykes. Both of them are a dream team for anyone, but the 09 bike is just not good enough. I sure hope both of them ditch Yamaha next season and go ride bikes that work. I think we'll be seeing more Ducati privateer's next season at the rate this season is going...
This is what you said: As Spies says; If every weekend they're only taking 5 points out of Haga's now 48 point lead, the championship is his!
This is what Spies said: "Five points just doesn't cut it. We've just given away too many points on mechanical problems. It's frustrating. Every time I seem to start getting some momentum and getting back into the championship picture, something like this happens. All I can do is go to Donington and start over again."
Umm, sounds like you don't know the difference between the act of quoting someone and the act of general paraphrasing and the third party interpretation of someone else's words.
It is my understanding that all the factory riders when out with the same Pirelli dry tire combination. Fabrizio and Spies just did a better job than Haga.
This is what you said: As Spies says; If every weekend they're only taking 5 points out of Haga's now 48 point lead, the championship is his!
Was I quoting him? Did you see the quotation's before and after? Umm...
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It is my understanding that all the factory riders when out with the same Pirelli dry tire combination. Fabrizio and Spies just did a better job than Haga.
Well, I watched the race in HD and saw that spies bike had slicks on the front, whilst Haga and Fabrizio had intermediates on the front. Why would Haga complain about the front being an intermediate after the race if it wasn't?
Was I quoting him? Did you see the quotation's before and after? Umm...
Ummm you didn't use quotations when you were quoting Haga either. When you begin a sentence by saying Spies says; its natural to conclude you were making a quote. If you weren't why didn't you deny it previously?
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Well, I watched the race in HD and saw that spies bike had slicks on the front, whilst Haga and Fabrizio had intermediates on the front. Why would Haga complain about the front being an intermediate after the race if it wasn't?
Tell me, Tyenocchio, what do intermediate compound slicks look like in HD? How about in real life?
Tell me, Tyenocchio, what do intermediate compound slicks look like in HD? How about in real life?
Its Tyezilla bro...
Umm, intermediate's have grooves in them. The camera had a shot of the side of the front tire and it went up the tire just as Fabrizio was getting off his bike and onto his spare. Ya gotta be an egghead not to spot it out. The US broadcast cut most of that stuff out to save time and the US broadcast also had checa's mechanic cussing on TV... someone is getting fired!
Umm, intermediate's have grooves in them. The camera had a shot of the side of the front tire and it went up the tire just as Fabrizio was getting off his bike and onto his spare. Ya gotta be an egghead not to spot it out. The US broadcast cut most of that stuff out to save time and the US broadcast also had checa's mechanic cussing on TV... someone is getting fired!
Ummm you're either lying (again) or you have no idea what you're talking about, Lyezilla. Rain tires have "grooves" in them. Both Haga and Fabrizio AND Spies went out on DRY TIRES, in this case, intermediate compound CUT SLICKS which is a dry weather race slick that is hand cut. Now you know.
That is notwhat he said. If you were a journalist, you'd be fired by nine out of ten editors and a retraction would have to be printed. Accuracy in the retelling of events does not seem to be one of your strong points.
dude, don't cut his head off, it's his attempmt at interpetation...
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EVERY WSBK weekend has at least one race with that same last lap action. Count the number of passes for the lead in GPs all year, compare that to one WSBK weekend and I'd be interested to see the number.
They already raced there this year so they should get up to a relatively decent speed quite quickly.
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