With NESBA, guy in "I" lost his drain plug coming onto the front straight. He lost it in T1 since he was unaware of the oil coming out at the time. I was standing on the pit wall and seen it unfold real time. I know the guy and in his defense he simply forgot to tighten the plug last weekend after changing his oil. He had too many things going on at one time. He felt realluy bad about causing this. It took the track personel about 30 minutes to clean it all up. Still if safety wire had been a rule this would likely not have happened. Everyone involved was lucky. He did get back on the track after alot of bike cleaning and repair plus he got lucky and someone actually had a drain bolt at the track. Big discusion over on the NEBA board about wiring the drain plugs in "I", it is required in "A". I am all for wiring. I am all for no glycol in "I" class too.
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It would have been alot worse for all behind him if he had not had a catch pan on the bike. It had race bodywork on it. It still could not contain all the oil. Oil was everywhere!! Took 3 hours and alot of simple green to get it all off the bike. This happened on his 3rd lap 1st session so it was early in the day.
i think it should be done even on the street.
especially if you do your changes yourself.
it's added insurance.
all mine are wired and i don't even have a track bike anymore.
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I don't think they should enforce wiring but I do think that they should check to see if it is secure at TECH Inspection.
Most Track Day orgs have a BS Tech inspection. Partly due to the fact that they are trying to get everyone through so they can start the track day on time.
Was this a race event or a trackday? Sounds like a trackday...
IIRC, most race orgs mandate that things (esp. an oil drain) are safety wired.
If it's a trackday, I don't think it should be mandated - even in the A group. You'll probably get racers in the A group who already have thier stuff wired for racing. But trying to get everyone from intermediate to A to safetywire is gonna be tough.
I've talked to several trackday org owners the last year and all of them are leaning away from even the 'no glycol' rule. They're finding that people won't even do that for a trackday anymore... the great pussification continues - in the manner of people don't even know how to change thier coolant!
Also sounds like everyone was fortunate/lucky that he had a catch-pan (at least it sounds like he had one).....
I'm with you, I think pans should be required along with some basic safety wiring. But judging from the conversations I've had this year with owners; good luck even getting people to change out coolant....
I was also there Saturday. That was 1 of 3 red flags that mourning. People were getting mad (NESBA org.). Guys pitting next to me, one of there riders, lost it in T4. Punctured lung, broke collar bone. Poor dude.
This is an issue that came up with TPM as well. Their policy used to be mandatory for Blue group riders to have to safety wire the oil filter, oil drain, and oil fill plug.
No more. It's strongly suggested now. Mainly because their attorney told them if they didn't check every bike at tech, then they were liable for making it mandatory and not actually guaranteeing that it was being done.
There are more than a few lawsuits against track club owners for various reasons. What do you think would happen if the rider in the Barber video was tech inspected and the loose oil drain dumped oil and then a following rider got seriously injured as a result?
Making the safety wire mandatory is fine, but its a worthless policy unless its enforced.
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I've talked to several trackday org owners the last year and all of them are leaning away from even the 'no glycol' rule. They're finding that people won't even do that for a trackday anymore... the great pussification continues - in the manner of people don't even know how to change thier coolant!
I'm with you, I think pans should be required along with some basic safety wiring. But judging from the conversations I've had this year with owners; good luck even getting people to change out coolant....
"Pussification"
So true, we can do simple safety wire and coolant on most bikes in about an hour. Alot of our local guys have no problem paying for this but then there are these other guys..............
Man, watching that vid brings back memories......at my first racing weekend ever at Daytona the oil filter gasket blew while on the first banking at a 155+MPH. At that speed and not the most smoothest asphalt I didnt notice a thing until I approached the chicane area where I saw 2-3 cornerworkers black flagging me like a madmen....I pull off onto the grass, they start shaking their heads saying I was lucky to be upright.
I was thinking damn how freakin unlucky am I for this to be happening. I thought my motor was toast but luckily I had some good sheet in there that saved me a rebuild.
Bottom line, I highly recommend wiring those 3 items listed above.
I find it hit or miss with TPM. Some days they go over my bike with a fine tooth comb. Other days they check brakes, hard parts and off I go. I do wire my street and track bikes just because I dont wanna be the one who stops the track day or injures another fellow rider.
I think it should be mandatory in the top two tiers.
This happened at Barber this past weekend
Took 3 hours and alot of simple green to get it all off the bike. This happened on his 3rd lap 1st session so it was early in the day.
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At that speed and not the most smoothest asphalt I didnt notice a thing until I approached the chicane area where I saw 2-3 cornerworkers black flagging me like a madmen....I pull off onto the grass, they start shaking their heads saying I was lucky to be upright. 
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