Mladin turning on the whine factor...

[Baasinator]

Originally Posted by fatbabycycle

the big difference is spies at least entertains bigger options

Really?

I've asked before, but what "bigger options" has Mladin rejected? Suzuki has him right where they want him, and he's apparently very well compensated. I've never read about a better job offer that he's turned down.

And for that matter, what "bigger options" has Spies entertained? (months and months of MotoGP talk coming only from Spies camp don't count.)

I don't see how the two situations are much different at all.

[drthompson65]

More on the drama.. This is what DMG/NASCAR sells...

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[4yamahas]

What a whiney bitch to say that . AMA is full of rich kids and lately I had thought he was above being a drama queen like most of them. 1st stoner turns pussy this year and now mladin.

[Chuckracer]

Henny Ray is doing a very good job of "selling" it, too.

[Just Riding Along]

Syfan said that Yoshimura Suzuki’s Don Sakakura had been told on Saturday morning what he had to provide for an appeal. The appeal needs to be filed by Friday, Sept. 5.
“He needs to provide to us production records for these crankshafts, vendor information, and the VIN range of the motorcycles that they went in. That’s part A,” Syfan said. “Part B is they have to provide a motorcycle in that VIN range, whether it’s new or used, and have it disassembled with an AMA official there. “They have to prove to us that those aren’t production parts. It’s as simple as that. American Suzuki and Yoshimura Suzuki have to prove to us that those are production parts.”

Sounds to me if it's not built into a production bike it's no go. That means you can't mike out all the cranks and parts in the bins and pick what you like best.

Originally Posted by wdavis009

Not necessarily. If Suzuki pulled a bunch of cranks off the assembly line (before the bearing codes are etched, which is probably the last step in the production process) early in the year so they could pick the best of the lot for their race programs (something I believe every factory team does), there would be no violation of the rules. The fact Suzuki had the same cranks in the bikes this weekend tells me they, at least, believe they will win on appeal.

Whinging

Originally Posted by RockyMt

Oh yeah, he' fron Oz, so it's "winging" not "whining".......

-Rocky-

[Multitard]

what's with the third person crap? Mat Mladin rides for Mat Mladin in a Mat Mladin type of display, for Mat, by Mat and because of Mat's magnanimous display of Mladintude that he can only see the Mat Mladin's genious of Mat. I call it whining, Ricky Henderson style

[Furious Styles]

Originally Posted by Baasinator

Really?

I've asked before, but what "bigger options" has Mladin rejected? Suzuki has him right where they want him, and he's apparently very well compensated. I've never read about a better job offer that he's turned down.

So you have to turn down rides in order to not have exhausted options at higher levels of racing?
Matt and Spies can't be compared... and its silly to try to.
Spies is 24 with 3 titles.
Matt was 30 with 2 championships.
And there was a reason why he wasn't getting offers (do your homework).
You have to admit that Matt being in the AMA, and doing this for as long as he has is a bit puzzling?
Also Matt may not have turned down many rides because of his early experiences in GP's and shitty attitude. His own team turned on him at Cagiva (I think it was).
Matt (as good a rider as he is) has been his own worst enemy in most if not all circumstances he's been a part of. If Matt had put the same effort into to being the best at other levels there's no doubt he would have won races... but I can't say the same for championships. Every rider that has won (and some that haven't) have aspired to be more than an AMA big dog. (But not Matt) That says something about him and his character, wouldn't you say?
Funny thing is... even though he has the money, has very little respect among many (which is ok, I guess),
I personally have more respect for guys who compete at the top level and toil in obscurity always fighting for more than a B series title with one competitior (at best).
Just about every other rider rider in the AMA is a washed up has been, or doesn't have what it takes to run at the front. That doesn't make Matt great... it makes him a big fish in a small pond.
What Matt has done would be the equivalent of Roger Hayden racing AFM, or WERA series... taking the wins, prize money, and such, and then people saying he's the best club rider they've ever seen and there's no need for him to move up because he's doing just fine at that level with money and titles. What bullshit.
And the fact that none offers him another ride, could be as simple they already know he's happy being a big fish. Or don't want to deal with his bullshit.

[wdavis009]

Originally Posted by Just Riding Along

Syfan said that Yoshimura Suzuki’s Don Sakakura had been told on Saturday morning what he had to provide for an appeal. The appeal needs to be filed by Friday, Sept. 5.
“He needs to provide to us production records for these crankshafts, vendor information, and the VIN range of the motorcycles that they went in. That’s part A,” Syfan said. “Part B is they have to provide a motorcycle in that VIN range, whether it’s new or used, and have it disassembled with an AMA official there. “They have to prove to us that those aren’t production parts. It’s as simple as that. American Suzuki and Yoshimura Suzuki have to prove to us that those are production parts.”

Sounds to me if it's not built into a production bike it's no go. That means you can't mike out all the cranks and parts in the bins and pick what you like best.

I disagree. It doesn't have to be built "into" a production bike. It simply needs to be the "same" as the ones that go into production bikes. AMA teams don't disassemble built production bike engines to get their parts. IF these cranks were snagged off the line prior to laser etching, I am sure Suzuki could easily provide all the information the AMA is demanding. Whether or not that is in fact the case, only Suzuki knows (right now). BTW, all the factory teams do exactly what you are saying they can't, i.e., test a batch of production parts and pick the very best of the lot for their race bikes. That's just one reason why a factory team's bike is always going to be better than a privateer's bike.

[fatbabycycle]

Originally Posted by Furious Styles

So you have to turn down rides in order to not have exhausted options at higher levels of racing?
Matt and Spies can't be compared... and its silly to try to.
Spies is 24 with 3 titles.
Matt was 30 with 2 championships.
And there was a reason why he wasn't getting offers (do your homework).
You have to admit that Matt being in the AMA, and doing this for as long as he has is a bit puzzling?
Also Matt may not have turned down many rides because of his early experiences in GP's and shitty attitude. His own team turned on him at Cagiva (I think it was).
Matt (as good a rider as he is) has been his own worst enemy in most if not all circumstances he's been a part of. If Matt had put the same effort into to being the best at other levels there's no doubt he would have won races... but I can't say the same for championships. Every rider that has won (and some that haven't) have aspired to be more than an AMA big dog. (But not Matt) That says something about him and his character, wouldn't you say?
Funny thing is... even though he has the money, has very little respect among many (which is ok, I guess),
I personally have more respect for guys who compete at the top level and toil in obscurity always fighting for more than a B series title with one competitior (at best).
Just about every other rider rider in the AMA is a washed up has been, or doesn't have what it takes to run at the front. That doesn't make Matt great... it makes him a big fish in a small pond.
What Matt has done would be the equivalent of Roger Hayden racing AFM, or WERA series... taking the wins, prize money, and such, and then people saying he's the best club rider they've ever seen and there's no need for him to move up because he's doing just fine at that level with money and titles. What bullshit.
And the fact that none offers him another ride, could be as simple they already know he's happy being a big fish. Or don't want to deal with his bullshit.

amen to that

[Superhawk69]

Originally Posted by wdavis009

Not necessarily. If Suzuki pulled a bunch of cranks off the assembly line (before the bearing codes are etched, which is probably the last step in the production process) early in the year so they could pick the best of the lot for their race programs (something I believe every factory team does), there would be no violation of the rules. The fact Suzuki had the same cranks in the bikes this weekend tells me they, at least, believe they will win on appeal.

Well if it was just codes... then ok, but seeing we have different material, smoother edges on these then the production cranks provided... I'm not sure we will see a win by Suzuki, but it does give some "exitement" to a the usual yawner of a race.

[wdavis009]

Originally Posted by Superhawk69

Well if it was just codes... then ok, but seeing we have different material, smoother edges on these then the production cranks provided... I'm not sure we will see a win by Suzuki, but it does give some "exitement" to a the usual yawner of a race.

They were different colors, which doesn't mean they were made from different materials. Here are pictures of 2 stock SV cranks Zoran posted on another forum:







Smoother edges etc., "could" be the result of a design change in the production parts since a sample was provided to AMA. Not saying they ARE stock. Again, only Suzuki knows that for sure right now. However, the things that the AMA claims they saw don't convince me that they clearly non-production/modified cranks. Changes are made all the time during a production run, especially if the production was resourced to a new supplier.

[Just Riding Along]

Originally Posted by wdavis009

I disagree. It doesn't have to be built "into" a production bike. It simply needs to be the "same" as the ones that go into production bikes. AMA teams don't disassemble built production bike engines to get their parts. IF these cranks were snagged off the line prior to laser etching, I am sure Suzuki could easily provide all the information the AMA is demanding. Whether or not that is in fact the case, only Suzuki knows (right now). BTW, all the factory teams do exactly what you are saying they can't, i.e., test a batch of production parts and pick the very best of the lot for their race bikes. That's just one reason why a factory team's bike is always going to be better than a privateer's bike.

Well I guess the devil is in the details, does the crank, etc. need to come from a production "batch", or "bike"?

I have not read all the new US rules and do know the factory teams roam the warehouse and dyno bikes to find the hottest one in the place. I can also recall a few Honda DQs for having bikes built up with the pick of the litter parts instead of joe blow production.

[desmo11]

Frankly all this BS with DMG is a bit suspect. OF COURSE the factory teams take the pick of production to whatever end of tolerances they deem desirable. Don't like that? Well then start your own damn factory, sponsor races, teams, etc. and do (or not do) it yourself!

IF Yosh has used different materials than they deserve their heads handed to them. IF this is just a matter of "it doesn't look the same to me" AMA tech needs a shakeup in terms of personnel. The fact of DQ's over 'it's a different color!' makes one wonder as to what the competence of the AMA tech staff actually is.

Secondly, John Ulrich had a good editorial on rules infractions. The death penalty (DQ) is not appropriate for all infractions.

NASCAR can keep all their rules drama BS and crew fines and stick it where the sun don't shine.

The interesting part is that Bill Syfan is an ex-Suzuki guy....

[wdavis009]

Originally Posted by Just Riding Along

Well I guess the devil is in the details, does the crank, etc. need to come from a production "batch", or "bike"?

I have not read all the new US rules and do know the factory teams roam the warehouse and dyno bikes to find the hottest one in the place. I can also recall a few Honda DQs for having bikes built up with the pick of the litter parts instead of joe blow production.

Where does it say ANYWHERE in the rules parts must come from production bikes? Do you seriously think AMA teams disassemble production bikes for parts???

Honda was DQ'd for having non-production parts, not for hand picked parts. All factory teams hand pick parts and are within the rules in doing so. Also, no factory AMA racer is riding a bike off the production line or warehouse. These bikes and engines are specially built for AMA racing, and have little in common with the bikes you see on the showroom floor.

[Just Riding Along]

The crank doesn't match the sample they submitted at the start of the season. It doesn't match the other bikes cranks.

It's suppossed to match, and when it doesn't you get DQ'd.

It's pretty clear the teams can't use whatever parts they like.

[wdavis009]

Originally Posted by Just Riding Along

The crank doesn't match the sample they submitted at the start of the season. It doesn't match the other bikes cranks.

It's suppossed to match, and when it doesn't you get DQ'd.

It's pretty clear the teams can't use whatever parts they like.

No one stated a team can use whatever parts they like. No need to make up shit no one is arguing.

[TWISTED METAL]

while it was a lil bit overkill talkin about not taking his family away and his heart.....

i understand what he's saying...its just racing and its just a job....he's made his money and plenty of it...so y let anything bother him....

[Just Riding Along]

I can just picture the mechanics one late night building things up.

Mechanic #1 "Matt's bike is next what should we give him"

#2 "Well he's a strong individual who likes to be apart from the herd, lets start out with that one crank we picked because it stood out from the otheres. It won't give a perfomance boost of course though"

#1 "Great idea, let's get him on the landline though just to check." Ring Ring

#3 "Bingle bitzer bottler on the boomer"

#1 "Same to you mate, hey listen we've got you A bike next and are wondering if you want that one lonely crank that's not like the rest. It's bit of an ugly ducking & it would only sit in the truck all season if we don't put it in"

#3 "Dead dingo's donger"

#1 "OK great well it'll be up this afternoon then"

#3 "Bingle bitzer bottler on the boomer"