Rossi sez, Stoner sez, JB sez

[247]

Stoner: I have been racing for a long time and I have seen a lot of close overtaking passes. I have had them done on me, I´ve done them myself and there is close riding, aggressive riding and then the point that is a little bit over that line.

Rossi: 'The overtaking was just like the old days, I was very strong in braking, and so I tried to attack. I am sorry that Casey thinks some of them were a bit strong but I really don´t agree; I passed only on the brakes, I braked in the same places every time and we never touched.

Burgess: `I think that if Casey had raced in the 80´s and 90´s with Kevin Schwantz, Wayne Rainey and Mick Doohan, then he´d have seen that kind sort of thing every week. It might not have been what he was expecting; probably expected to win the race easily as he had dominated in the practices.´

Stoner: I enjoyed a lot of the race, but I felt that some of the passes a bit too much for me. I´ve been racing for a lot of years and have come through a lot of different ranks, and for me just a couple of passes were a little too much. I would have liked to have had a little bit of a cleaner battle

Rossi: It´s the first time that I´ve been able to win here, and it was an unbelievable race. The crew made some modifications and I was able to take a much better pace. I had a good start, then a great battle with Casey, which was a lot of fun

[hank]

Originally Posted by Rossi

"I had a good start, then a great battle with Casey, which was a lot of fun

Rossi's command of his bike is impressive - always has been... I'm not surprised if he was smiling the entire time having a blast!

[bafflebrain]

Bwahahhaa..'I have been racing a lot of year...'

Keep doing it for another 12 years and then you can compare your experience with Rossi.

[bwhiting]

Rossi showed incredible skill on the brakes of his underpowered (relatively) yamaha. But you have to give credit to stoner for how he manages to get the Duc turned - it's no question faster down the straights but a bucking bronco on the brakes and mid corner. from there it's hammer on the throttle and hold on. very different from the yamaha and other manfs.

if only stoner kept his mouth shut and didn't go the a-hole route of not shaking hands.

[drthompson65]

I thought that was one of the best 800cc races I've seen.. actually one of the since Germany 2006. Nothing like the "good old days"... that ride Rossi did in when he came from the back and flipped out Max was classic!

So has Jorge landed from low earth orbit yet?

[whitw wings]

I wanted Rossi and stoner to crash out together SOOOO bad in the first stages of the race but then again nicky would have placed 3rd anyway!

I can't believe he stonner crashed, picked his bike up and didn't lose a position!

[RockyMt]

Interesting the comments came from one of the few riders left with a Flat (yeah baby!) Track background, sheez, if yer not bangin bars you ain't ridin'!

-Rocky-

[XFBO]

Originally Posted by 247

Rossi: I passed only on the brakes, I braked in the same places every time and we never touched.

I watched the race twice other than the boneheaded move Rossi pulled in the corkscrew I thought it was a FANTASTIC battle and race.....if Stoner is bitching about any other passes I'll agree that he's being a lil bit of a bitch about it.

However, when hearing/reading from Rossi, "we never touched" is almost insulting and retarded, had Stoner stayed on line he wouldnt of 'touched' him he would had slammed into him, as is, he ran him wide. The bottom line here is this, he knew Casey had the best speed on the track all weekend long, for crying out loud, Stoner was the ONLY one to beat last yrs pole record on RACE TIRES!!!! And the only person to hit the '20's during QP, to ignore his talent is ridiculous. Rossi knew the only chance he had to win was to stay ahead of and cockblock him.

What amuses me is all the talk about HP and straight line performance, all of which was a non issue at Laguna being their tightest/smallest track???
Id go as far to say that Yamaha is on par with Ducati motor wise everywhere BUT top end. I think I saw Casey pull on Rossi once on the front straight...once, if it was as powerful as everyone here states I think they would of been trading places there every lap and that wasnt the case.

As for all the Casey TC remarks, who appeared to be bucking and sliding their tales more often through the apexes during that entire race, Rossi or Casey?

Then explain to us why yall still think Casey's TC is more of a factor than Rossi's.


Let me ask you guys something, is big HP the ONLY thing that matters in your minds?
Doesnt superior handling and braking have any value?

[jdgun_0013]

+1 XFBO
You summed it up pretty nicely, as from my perspective and if i was in the shoes of stoner i would of done a Rossi to Gibernau move and just rammed him, and make him hang on for his life move in on the shoulder of the track.

The best way to describe Rossi when he knows he cant beat you straight up is to Bump and grind on you and try and bust your rythm and concentration.
There is no argueing Rossi's talent as one of the Best, but he is a shitty winner and loser.
The difference in bikes is truly apparent as well, the yamaha is a better bike as a total package, and always has been since Burgess & Rossi jumped on it.

To bad someone ended Lorenzo's season after he was showing how it is done the 1st, 3 races (rossi insurgents most likely).
he goes from winning the championship to not even finishing now...

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by jdgun_0013

+1 XFBO


The best way to describe Rossi when he knows he cant beat you straight up is to Bump and grind on you and try and bust your rythm and concentration.
There is no argueing Rossi's talent as one of the Best, but he is a shitty winner and loser.

I take it that you are new to this motorcycle racing business otherwise, if you read something as silly as what you posted, you would be laughing at it.

Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz, Doohan, Sheene......those guys banged bars every race and would sell their own mother to get half a bike length in front of the other guy. I bet Schwantz was laughing his head off watching that show and pointing at Rossi and saying "damn, he rides just like I did".

[nomo]

Before this race I wasn't cheering for a particular rider and just wanted to see exciting racing , but now after seeing Stoner's pathetic behavior , it's Rossi all the way . Casey boy acted like a spoiled brat who wanted a comfortable Sunday ride to meet Tommy Fooz but his plans were ruined by a pushy grown-up . Pathetic and classless .

[XFBO]

Originally Posted by nomo

Before this race I wasn't cheering for a particular rider and just wanted to see exciting racing , but now after seeing Stoner's pathetic behavior , it's Rossi all the way . Casey boy acted like a spoiled brat who wanted a comfortable Sunday ride to meet Tommy Fooz but his plans were ruined by a pushy grown-up . Pathetic and classless .

We shall see how classless it becomes cuz something tells me we're gonna see a Rossi-esque move in the near future from someone other than Vale.

[Turbo329]

Originally Posted by roadkill

I take it that you are new to this motorcycle racing business otherwise, if you read something as silly as what you posted, you would be laughing at it.

Rainey, Lawson, Schwantz, Doohan, Sheene......those guys banged bars every race and would sell their own mother to get half a bike length in front of the other guy. I bet Schwantz was laughing his head off watching that show and pointing at Rossi and saying "damn, he rides just like I did".

Amen. The 80s is hands down the hardest era EVER!

Toughness was the theme in the 80s.

Think

Rambo
Rocky
Kevin Schwantz

Arnold Schwarzenegger - Protein powder my ass, this guy drank 2 dozen raw eggs per day.

Lou Ferrigno
M.A.S.H.
Bonanza

People fought with their fists instead of resorting to shootouts and driveby's. Racers bumped fairings, elbows, spat in each others faces, played mind games in the paddock, and saved lowsides by standing the bike up with their knees and hands at full lean.

What happened to Stoner is nothing different than a champion boxer who get's his chin tagged and takes a dive. he got rocked by Rossi and his knees wobbled. Then he resorted to making a public attack on Rossi's racecraft which makes him look even worse regardless if his argument was right or wrong.

[Turbo329]

For the record, I agree with Stoner that Rossi was overly aggressive and took risks.

But Rossi broke no rules, and it was the only way to beat that Ducati package. I say fair game. Like the occasional accidental headbut in boxing, this was no different.

[jdgun_0013]

yeah i am new to watching racing ...maybe as far as motogp goes it has been pretty weak for the last 8 years with a few exceptions all involving Rossi of course.
At least it isnt an all Mick Doohan show of the 90's

The 250 Class is where the racing is almost always amazing and you have racing and yes the bump and grind all the time, just a littl more civilized and not well i cant beat you straight up so i am going to ram you (Rossi).

Personally i think Rossi is a little Bitch and cant wait for him to get wrecked by someone when he does try his i am this and that.

[RCJAY]

Originally Posted by jdgun_0013

just a littl more civilized and not well i cant beat you straight up so i am going to ram you (Rossi).

Personally i think Rossi is a little Bitch and cant wait for him to get wrecked by someone when he does try his i am this and that.

I don't think we were watching the same race, if you were really watching Stoner leaves a big door open all the time and Rossi was able to use his braking abilities to dive in and take he position away from the little girl.....The cork screw Stoner left the door open there too as Rossi took a dangerous line in. I agree it is agressive but not over the limit. Stoner could of many time take a defensiive line BUT HE DIDN'T.

[RCJAY]

What happened on sunday was the same example with Sete on that last corner. If you know thatS the last corner and you don't take a defensive line what do you thing a great rider is going to do. DIVE ON THE INSIDE AND BLOCK PASS YOU. WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN

[Harvey T.]

Hi guys, not been on far a long time but I thought you would like to see this. BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Motorbikes | Fuming Stoner accuses Rossi

[ApparitionAGO]

Originally Posted by jdgun_0013

There is no argueing Rossi's talent as one of the Best, but he is a shitty winner and loser.

Argh. Seriously? Think about that. Rossi has consistently demonstrated excellent sportsmanship, a fantastic attitude (even when losing), always compliments the victor, always shakes the hands of the riders that were close to him in the race (irrespective of if he won or lost). He is almost always positive. He rarely publicly complains and when he does people listen, because he has a point--like about Michelin tires (tough to argue after this last weekend) and his bike at the end of last year. It is not like he is talking out of his butt, he just wants the tools to compete. The only one I can really compare him to, is Nicky Haden. Yeah Rossi is a big nutcase with an odd sense of humour, and Nicky plays it much straighter, but they are both mentally similar in their approach, IMO.

Think about Caseys attitude: passing too tough (waaahhh), Rossi doesn't deserve B-Stones, etc. When he is winning all is good, but he doesn't handle adversity very well, at least in public. He does come off a bit spoiled.

Who would you want as a role model for your kids? Rossi? Stoner? Hayden? I would be happy with 2 of those 3.

[nomo]

Honestly I don't know what race some of you were watching . I didn't see any unfair or unsafe (except for himself at corkscrew!) moves by Rossi . GP racing in the past (especially 70's and 80's) was brutal compared to the present electronic era . Those guys were nuts , elbowing , scraping , pushing , stopping short , and it was considered a part of racing . Stoner has to gain a little historical perspective . Frankly , I think Rossi would welcome some aggression from Stoner b/c I don't think the latter can handle a scrap .