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Wow XFBO is still going on about last year? This years races only highlight exactly what I( and I think I speak for most people) was saying last year. Stoner WAS NOT THE NEXT GOAT LIKE EVERYONE WAS CLAIMING. He just had a really good bike and everyone else had sub-par. He just had really good tires and everyone else ( who is competitive) had sub-par. Cmon XFBO, Stoner isnt as good as you thought he was, now just let it go...
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Save your effort trying to have a reasonable discussion with XFBO is like trying to hammer a wire nail into concrete, I wouldn't bother leave him in his own little bubble. 
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The only people who can challenge for the title this year will be Rossi, Lorenzo and Pedrosa.
it's gonna be a great three way, and I don't care how dirty that sounds lol
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That race simply reminded me why I do not watch m/c racing ... the ads were more exciting, and we had the same 3 played over and over again all the way through the race!
If last years Ducati is so much faster over a whole race, why don't they just race it? ... like Honda is (?, I think or is that just engine?). Who cares if the design team looses face, World Championships is what it is about.
I did watch Stoner miss his braking point 2 laps in a row, which is not smart ... lost him buckets of time ... but he is still the fastest Ducati rider, so unlike Hayden he is not completely given up his GOAT possibility.
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You tards are just a bunch of haters...
People were dogging the shit out of Rossi last year... saying this and that about retirement, he's old , blah blah blah.
Now you can hear........ WHAT WAS THAT?
NOT A DAMN THING!
And I Can't for the life of me get to the bottom of the Nicky bashing... he wins... you complain. He podiums you complain... he makes a run, you complain. He wins the title, you little bitches complain like a bunch of old hens.
Melandri my ass... he's more up and own than a Hooker on the point on a saturday nite... Elias? Where the hell is he at? Bringing up tenth... thats what. Colin can find the pole, but after he gets it he's about as good as a bag of rocks trying to swim... not very good.
I know the equipment arguement will come up, but really... Colin has been riding in GP's since the tires were made of stone... he hasn't won a damn thing, and no one hates on that guy like people do on Hayden. Its amazing to say the least. 
I'll take Nicky and Rossi any day of the week, since the great majority of you hate their guts... for all things BEING WINNERS!?!?
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It's not Stoner's fault, he's still riding as hard as ever.
The Ducati has gone backwards, while the Yamaha and Honda have improved. Throw in the fact that Michelin has caught up and the guy who won 10 races last year is fighting for podiums, at least for now.
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I'm glad for Rossi and he deserves the win. I am disappointed in Stoner though. Mayhaps Yam has finally sorted the bike and leveled the field and it looks to me that both tire brands were working ok.
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Originally Posted by houze4ursoul
Wow XFBO is still going on about last year? This years races only highlight exactly what I( and I think I speak for most people) was saying last year. Stoner WAS NOT THE NEXT GOAT LIKE EVERYONE WAS CLAIMING. He just had a really good bike and everyone else had sub-par. He just had really good tires and everyone else ( who is competitive) had sub-par. Cmon XFBO, Stoner isnt as good as you thought he was, now just let it go...
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LOL. 
LOL @ Cheeky.......The more you open your mouth the more I see you're just a lil @ss punk. I cant even remember the last time I had nasty exchange with you but yet you seem to have a never ending hard on for me.....let it go stud.
Jeff, isnt it a lil early to be slamming Stoner since he is one of 4 men who won 1 out of 4 rounds? I mean he is only 25 pts behind the leader who ISNT your dream boy btw or is it?
When it comes to the current top three guys it's hard to see who you'd rather give a lap dance to these days. 
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"Going from a V4 to I4 is like taking a reduction in pay grade... like going from a King to a Jack... like going from steak to hamburger..."
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At the post-race interview , did Pedrosa say that he couldn't catch Rossi b/c he had to "save the engine" ? Can someone confirm that he said this ? The Honda was close to expiring?!
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It's not Stoner's fault, he's still riding as hard as ever.
The Ducati has gone backwards, while the Yamaha and Honda have improved. Throw in the fact that Michelin has caught up and the guy who won 10 races last year is fighting for podiums, at least for now.
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I'm not so sure the Ducati has gone backwards. It seems to me Yamaha, Honda and Michelin have improved whereas the Ducati/Bridgestone package has stayed the same. Still wouldn't count Stoner out...the season has just started. |
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1st Hayden didn't beat Rossi for the Championship. Yamaha's faulty bike beat Rossi helping him to 5 DNF's...Hayden just happen to be there to reap the rewards..Good for Nicky, glad it was him!
We're finally seeing the real Stoner...all he did last year was twist the gas has hard as he could and the electronics did the rest..Capirossi and Melandri both have said similiar things about the Duc, no feel from the tires because of TC...before TC was sooo strong Capirex was actually doing better on the duc..THe bike was damn fast, and for Stoner it all worked perfectly.
So I say, Get Rid of Traction Control!!!! These are supposed to be the best riders in the world...let them prove it. dumped tc. and that will actually slow the bikes down a little too.  |
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Maybe, but it is interesting to look at race times for China compared to last year. this re-posted from post #8 in thsi thread.
In '07 Stoner won the race, beating Rossi by 3 seconds. This year he was 16 seconds back of Rossi.
Here are the race times (and differential) for Rossi, Pedrosa and Stoner for today and 2007 in China.
Stoner: <2007- 44:12> <2008- 44:24> 12 seconds slower 
Rossi: <2007- 44:15> <2008- 44:08> 7 seconds faster 
Pedrosa: <2007- 44:26> <2008- 44:12> 14 seconds faster
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I'm not so sure the Ducati has gone backwards. It seems to me Yamaha, Honda and Michelin have improved whereas the Ducati/Bridgestone package has stayed the same. Still wouldn't count Stoner out...the season has just started.
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At the post-race interview , did Pedrosa say that he couldn't catch Rossi b/c he had to "save the engine" ? Can someone confirm that he said this ? The Honda was close to expiring?!
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That's exactly what I heard him say, guess the motor aint what it should be yet? You can also bet that if that's true, Nicky is still riding the old shit, 'cause it probably takes all the king's horses and men just to keep one running for turdly. Probably why Honda couldn't rent a motor to KRC this year? Please take all the electronics off, and bring back the big inch bikes, these little midget bikes are boring as hell...
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1st Hayden didn't beat Rossi for the Championship. Yamaha's faulty bike beat Rossi helping him to 5 DNF's...Hayden just happen to be there to reap the rewards..Good for Nicky, glad it was him!
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They both had plenty of problems that season, but at the end it didn't matter. It came down to one race and either man could have won the title that day. Rossi had the advantage, though -- he only had to stay close to Nicky. He didn't even have to finish in front! But Rossi didn't stay close and he crashed while trying to keep up.
On that day -- the day that mattered -- Nicky beat Valentino to win the title. Maybe Rossi choked, but that's saying the same thing.
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...like going from a bike with a spikey powerband to one that is smooth and predictable.... like finishing at the back of the pack, to claiming the top step....
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You got that ass backwards Mikstr... Yamaha discarded the spikey
powerband of their inline and mimicked the smooth and predictable
power of the Vs with the big bang... the revolutionary Big Bang M1 or
virtual V4 as it was coined by the press could have changed everything
for us but the owners of WSBK banned it... oh well when you're stuck
with the old cammy hit I4 you're stuck... ain't no way to mimic the
linear power of an V4...
Quote MotoGp Tech:
"Vibration specialist, Masao Furasawa - the Yamaha engineer who built
the vibration-reducing mountings of the original RD350LC - had a
theory as to why the in-line fours were having more difficulty than
the V-engined bikes in getting nearly 250hp onto the ground."
"The modifications Yamaha made to their M1 in 2004, revising the
combustion timing sequence, appeared to make the bike more usable. The
Flammini brothers, owners of the World Superbike series, were so
concerned about the potential upset to the form book from this idea
that they, together with the FIM, rushed through a new rule banning
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While the Ducati V4s still rule the horsepower roost, the Yamahas are right behind them. At the China GP, the four Ducatis had the highest trap speeds (343 KPH - 340.4 KPH). The next fastest speeds were set by three Yamahas (340.4 - 337.7 KPH). Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki occupied subsequent positions in the top speed ranking (334.3 - 333.3). The Honda V4s are uniformly down on power and occupied six of the seven lowest trap speeds including the last three (332.6 - 321.8) \
As of now, Honda's V4 is very clearly the least powerful motor in MotoGP. Perhaps if they can figure out how to make the pneumatic valve gear work properly they might close the gap (or maybe even surpass) the I4s and V4s that are ahead of them. Honda has a legendary engineering history but they no longer appear to be the preeminent leaders in engine technology these days. Pedrosa deserves a ton of credit for where he is in the points right now but he is clearly at a disadvantage equipment-wise. I believe if he was on the factory Yamaha, he'd have won at least 3, if not 4 races already.
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While the Ducati V4s still rule the horsepower roost, the Yamahas are right behind them. At the China GP, the four Ducatis had the highest trap speeds (343 KPH - 340.4 KPH). The next fastest speeds were set by three Yamahas (340.4 - 337.7 KPH). Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha and Suzuki occupied subsequent positions in the top speed ranking (334.3 - 333.3). The Honda V4s are uniformly down on power and occupied six of the seven lowest trap speeds including the last three (332.6 - 321.8) \
As of now, Honda's V4 is very clearly the least powerful motor in MotoGP. Perhaps if they can figure out how to make the pneumatic valve gear work properly they might close the gap (or maybe even surpass) the I4s and V4s that are ahead of them. Honda has a legendary engineering history but they no longer appear to be the preeminent leaders in engine technology these days. Pedrosa deserves a ton of credit for where he is in the points right now but he is clearly at a disadvantage equipment-wise. I believe if he was on the factory Yamaha, he'd have won at least 3, if not 4 races already.
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Look at Pedrosa's top speeds at China and he's up there with the Ducatis and Yamahas. Nicky, on the other hand, is down by a significant amount. It pays to be tiny.
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I read Pedrosa slowed because his gearing was just a bit too short and on the straight, with the tail wind, he was over-revving his engine for way too long, that's also why he didn't look to catch vale's vacuum on the straight. In the end he slowed cause he didn't want his engine to explode!
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That's only one race, a race where Stoner switched to a soft compound rear at the last minute (as recommended by Bridgestone) due to concerns about weather. In addition, Stoner himself stated he was off pace yesterday. So, I don't think you can make generalizations about the Ducati based only on yesterday's results. Instead, take a look at Qatar this year compaired to last year (where Stoner used the same tires). |
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I think Pedrosa meant, with his engine comment, he was trying to conserve fuel to make sure he didn't tun out before finishing. Tough to tell when English is the second language.
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At the end of the day...................................
Rossi KRACKED DAT TAIL!!!!!!!!!!
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