watched both races to see what i have been missing for three years and i watched Barros podium twice on a bike he has hardly ridden and he is like 40 right? it is amazing he just jumped on and does so well. i would like to think he is just a superstar but am inclined to belive either the CBR wails or the rest of the field is weak. I can't help but think the GP guys are just so much better talent than the likes of the rest of the WSBK guys.
don't get me wrong, the races were nice and had some decent battles and i love that track on that down hill right, back end sliding and stuff.
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watched both races to see what i have been missing for three years and i watched Barros podium twice on a bike he has hardly ridden and he is like 40 right? it is amazing he just jumped on and does so well. i would like to think he is just a superstar but am inclined to belive either the CBR wails or the rest of the field is weak. I can't help but think the GP guys are just so much better talent than the likes of the rest of the WSBK guys.
don't get me wrong, the races were nice and had some decent battles and i love that track on that down hill right, back end sliding and stuff.
dude - barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet, and he knows Philip Island like the back of his hand. He's no slouch. Then again, neither is Corser, Bayliss, or Toseland, the guys who have actually won the races this year. WSBK "weak"? Weak is wondering who'll finish 2nd to Rossi every effing MotoGP race for the past 5 YEARS.
"barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet" and yet he did squat on the honda in GP in what three years on one of the best bikes on the planet. i don't even think he got two podiums the whole time he rode for repsol did he? and then he jumps on anew bike and wham he is on the podium. i wonder if say melandri or Colin came to WSBK if they would walk away with it? maybe sete could come over and finally win something j/k LOL i doubt Bayliss or corser would be on the podium in their first GP rides and they both are wiley old foxes i thought the race was good but it seems the talent is weaker or lack of depth i guess.
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dude - barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet, and he knows Philip Island like the back of his hand. He's no slouch. Then again, neither is Corser, Bayliss, or Toseland, the guys who have actually won the races this year. WSBK "weak"? Weak is wondering who'll finish 2nd to Rossi every effing MotoGP race for the past 5 YEARS.
"barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet" and yet he did squat on the honda in GP in what three years on one of the best bikes on the planet.
In a championship that can be won or lost based on who's dick yer suckin at the tire manufacturer...
"barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet" and yet he did squat on the honda in GP in what three years on one of the best bikes on the planet. i don't even think he got two podiums the whole time he rode for repsol did he? and then he jumps on anew bike and wham he is on the podium. i wonder if say melandri or Colin came to WSBK if they would walk away with it? maybe sete could come over and finally win something j/k LOL i doubt Bayliss or corser would be on the podium in their first GP rides and they both are wiley old foxes i thought the race was good but it seems the talent is weaker or lack of depth i guess.
Troy Corser actually referred to Barros as "probably the most experienced motorcycle racer in the world right now" during his Philip Island post race 1 comments. He said he wasn't surprised at all that Barros did so well. So I guess the current WSBK champion disagrees with your low accessment of Barros.
And dude - what the **** has ANYONE done on "the best bike on the planet" since Rossi left Honda? Hayden has won ONE race and has a handful of podiums since 2003. Biaggi's career went in the toilet riding for HRC. Basically, the only way an RCV wins these days is if Rossi crashes or they're racing at a "Bridgestone track". HRC has been up shit's creek ever since Rossi left, and every rider since him has bitched about the same issues with the RC211V. The guys running HRC evidentally think the bike is the "best bike on the planet" too - unfortunately, Yamaha has the 2004 and 2005 trophies which prove otherwise. Or haven't you read the comments of every RCV rider since 2003 re: chatter, lack of chassis adjustment, instability under braking, lack of agility, etc.....??????
WSBK has the single tire rule, which is a great equalizer - i.e. no one is riding on tires that give a 1-2 second per lap advantage, as is the case with the top riders in MotoGP (this was also the case with the pre-Pirelli WSBK years.) If there was a one tire maker rule in MotoGP, it would be a totally different series (albeit one that Rossi would still win.) Philip Island was one round - we'll see that the rest of the season brings for Barros.
And BTW, perhaps you don't follow racing too closely, or you'd recall that Bayliss did in fact podium the Ducati in his first year as a MotoGp rider.
"barros is one of the most experienced bike racers on the planet" and yet he did squat on the honda in GP in what three years on one of the best bikes on the planet. i don't even think he got two podiums the whole time he rode for repsol did he? and then he jumps on anew bike and wham he is on the podium. i wonder if say melandri or Colin came to WSBK if they would walk away with it? maybe sete could come over and finally win something j/k LOL i doubt Bayliss or corser would be on the podium in their first GP rides and they both are wiley old foxes i thought the race was good but it seems the talent is weaker or lack of depth i guess.
Barros has had a few wins on the RCV, including one last season, right?
Are you phukn kidding me? WSB has the best action you will see in any series this year. The Qatar races were two of the best I've seen in recent years. I love watching Rossi and Mladin lap the entire field but watching WSB where there is actually action is much more fun for me.
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So, I see this similar to the NBA versus College basketball. Sure, the depth of talent is better in the NBA but none of the games (to me atleast) are as entertaining as say Duke versus UNC in college basketball.
WSB is just more entertaining right now. MotoGP has become a bit predictable. Depth of field is pretty shallow. Its nothing like Doohan's championship era, but still fairly predictable.
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it seems anybody in GP could leave and come right to WSBK and win right away can the same be said the other way around?
i never said Alex sucked i was impressed he never road the CBR and podiumed twice, jeez that was easy
I agree, it is impressive that Barros never "road" the CBR before and got 2 podiums. He rode the balls off that bike, and he sure didn't say it was "easy" in the post race interview.
Abe came from MotoGP last year (and Robbie Rolfo and Ruben Xaus are here from MotoGP this year along with Bayliss and Barros) and he hasn't even gotten on the podium. Rolfo's best finish so far was 5th (R1, Philip Island). So "seems like anybody from MotoGP could win right away in WSBK" seems like your opinion, which isn't based in any factual reality. What are you basing your conclusions on anyway??
by all means, feel free to bench race, but you have to bring more than your stool
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listen, first i did not want to get into who's is bigger or who can know more about racing. don'y get all in a upraor because you feel i slandered something of yours.
i just was curious if anybody thought the WSBK was weaker in talent than the GP, yes or no? i was SURPRISED that Alex could throw a leg over a new bike(to him) and be competitive right from the get go. i thought the move to WSBK could be considered a step down not a promotion for some, i guess not ALex must be the greatest thing on the planet then i think Bayliss is a great rider as well as corser but did not think other than a couple of old dogs there was world champ material in the field. we got who, wanker or walker whatever his name is, we got Haga like he is a top dog you bring up Xaus OH he is all the talk or i mean crash.
the races were good to watch as that is all there is to watch but IMO that field must not be too tough if a 40 year old cna just jump on and do two races like that without breaking a sweat one wonders why he left GP then? the guy was like" how was doing two races" and he was like" no problem really".
as far as the tires go it was a little off that most were complaining about losing grip so soon. i think the perelli switch sucks and that was a big mistake to use them at least.
anybody remember what lap the duke lost first place in the first race? i would be pissed at my tire company if that happened to me
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and whatever you think about the Pirelli rule, it's the 3rd season on Pirellis, they've started to break existing lap records on this rubber, and Pirellis are the #1 reason why WSBK racing has been so close for the past couple of seasons. Troy Corser himself said he liked the rule (when he was on an FP1) because it was a great leveller. In 2003, Hodgson and Xaus were the only guys on the top Michelins and the racing SUCKED.
Bayliss chose a soft compound, and pushed very hard from the start. It don't matter what race tire you choose, if you're on a softer compound than everyone else, it's hot, and you're trying to gap the field early, you're going to burn up the tire sooner than guys running a harder compound.
you're entitled to your opinion, but again, it's kinda hard to back up with facts. you can't expect to post a note asking if WSBK sucks, when you apparently know diddly about either MotoGP or WSBK, and not get some stick about it......
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let me ask you this 2. do you think Barros will take the championship this year?
No. He doesn't have a full factory bike. The Suzis and the Ducks are works machines that will keep getting better all year. Klaffi can only do so much with his bike and their in house development. The Ten Kate bikes should be much more of a threat, especially Toseland.
But I'd be surprised if Barros doesn't win a race or two regardless.
As everyone knows, it is difficult to compare the skills of riders because of the ability of their bike/tires. Trying to compare riders between series becomes even more tricky because the bikes are playing by different rules as well. You really can only compare riders on the same bike with the same tires in the same series.
I think most would agree that Rossi is the best rider in the world and would dominate either series. After that however, saying that all MotoGP riders are better than all WSBK riders is definitely not obvious to me anyway.
Barros has had two strong weekends on tracks he is familiar, but the bike and tires are new to him. He should get even better, but will he dominate? Doubtful. His teammate last year, Troy Bayliss, was also competitive in MotoGP at many races, finishing on the podium a few times with Ducati and suffering a frustrating year with Camel Honda. But he isn't dominating WSBK either.
Edwards has yet to win a race in MotoGP even though he is on the best bike, but he is always in the top five it seems. When Edwards and Haga were teammates their results were more or less equal, so competing head to head you could say that Haga and Edwards are about equal riders. But Haga isn't dominating WSBK, finishing top five usually. So does a top five in WSBK about equal top five in MotoGP? While Edwards' Biaggi-esque ego would probably prevent him from racing in WSBK again, I doubt it would be the cakewalk many assume it would be.
Vermulen is behind Hopkins as you would expect, given Hopper has been on the team for four years. Vermulen was one of the best WSBK riders, it will be interesting to see how he does against Hopkins after several months of getting used to the Suzuki. Time will tell, but my guess is that he will push Hopkins (regarded as one of the best talents in MotoGP) by mid-season.
There are also former MotoGP (or 500 or 250) race winners that haven't exactly dominated in WSBK. These include: McCoy, Abe, Laconi, Aoki.
As everyone knows, it is difficult to compare the skills of riders because of the ability of their bike/tires. Trying to compare riders between series becomes even more tricky because the bikes are playing by different rules as well. You really can only compare riders on the same bike with the same tires in the same series.
I think most would agree that Rossi is the best rider in the world and would dominate either series. After that however, saying that all MotoGP riders are better than all WSBK riders is definitely not obvious to me anyway.
Barros has had two strong weekends on tracks he is familiar, but the bike and tires are new to him. He should get even better, but will he dominate? Doubtful. His teammate last year, Troy Bayliss, was also competitive in MotoGP at many races, finishing on the podium a few times with Ducati and suffering a frustrating year with Camel Honda. But he isn't dominating WSBK either.
Edwards has yet to win a race in MotoGP even though he is on the best bike, but he is always in the top five it seems. When Edwards and Haga were teammates their results were more or less equal, so competing head to head you could say that Haga and Edwards are about equal riders. But Haga isn't dominating WSBK, finishing top five usually. So does a top five in WSBK about equal top five in MotoGP? While Edwards' Biaggi-esque ego would probably prevent him from racing in WSBK again, I doubt it would be the cakewalk many assume it would be.
Vermulen is behind Hopkins as you would expect, given Hopper has been on the team for four years. Vermulen was one of the best WSBK riders, it will be interesting to see how he does against Hopkins after several months of getting used to the Suzuki. Time will tell, but my guess is that he will push Hopkins (regarded as one of the best talents in MotoGP) by mid-season.
There are also former MotoGP (or 500 or 250) race winners that haven't exactly dominated in WSBK. These include: McCoy, Abe, Laconi, Aoki.
Your thoughts on Edwards' ego preventing a return to WSBK are unfounded. He has regularly visited the WSBK paddock since moving to MotoGP and he is well liked by many teams and Flammini. Remember he was actually signed to Ducati for a hot minute before changing his mind and going to Aprilia, and he still gets along with them (Ducati).
As a person, he's a much nicer guy, doesn't **** with other riders, and doesn't whine 1/100% as much as Biaggi. Edwards might not be as competitive as the new young guns (Melandri, Hayden, and maybe Pedrosa) but he is a hard worker that gives great development feedback, especially for tires. And he never crashes. He's kinda like an improved version of Carlos Checa
Are you phukn kidding me? WSB has the best action you will see in any series this year. The Qatar races were two of the best I've seen in recent years. I love watching Rossi and Mladin lap the entire field but watching WSB where there is actually action is much more fun for me.
Amen. WSB has been the only place real racing action has occured. GP has been a Rossi show & AMA has been a Mladin show. Yeah, that's fun to watch. I do anyway though - but rarely get to the edge of my seat.
And Barros is a slouch, considering the length of time he was in GP's he did nothing.
As a person, he's a much nicer guy, doesn't **** with other riders, and doesn't whine 1/100% as much as Biaggi. Edwards might not be as competitive as the new young guns (Melandri, Hayden, and maybe Pedrosa) but he is a hard worker that gives great development feedback, especially for tires.
I agree that he doesn't whine now as much as Biaggi. He definitely griped and moaned at the end of '02 when Honda didn't have an RCV for him, and he most certainly complained when he felt he was on inferior equipment on the Movistar Honda. His reputation for being a great tester certainly has helped him stay in MotoGP, it seems now his job is not to win races, but help Rossi develop the bike.
He actually seemed to have toned down the comments a little last year, probably when he realized he had no more excuses on the Yamaha once Rossi showed how good it could be. I remember several (print) interviews where he made statements filled with expletives when discussing other riders or Honda, his employer. Real professional.
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And he never crashes. He's kinda like an improved version of Carlos Checa
Funny, I think of him as the motorcycling equivalent of Rubens Barichello, without the wins RB has of course.
is the WSBK weak?
and he is like 40 right? it is amazing he just jumped on and does so well. i would like to think he is just a superstar but am inclined to belive either the CBR wails or the rest of the field is weak. I can't help but think the GP guys are just so much better talent than the likes of the rest of the WSBK guys.
i thought the race was good but it seems the talent is weaker or lack of depth i guess.
WSB has the best action you will see in any series this year. The Qatar races were two of the best I've seen in recent years. I love watching Rossi and Mladin lap the entire field but watching WSB where there is actually action is much more fun for me. 
i think Bayliss is a great rider as well as corser but did not think other than a couple of old dogs there was world champ material in the field. we got who, wanker or walker whatever his name is, we got Haga like he is a top dog
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