<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CBR400RR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I sell the CRG levers for $75.00 each plus shipping so those levers aren't that much cheaper except maybe in quality. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Tell CRG to make them in black and I'm there....
I'm honestly not sure how these could be "lower" quality though - they are made of the same material, CNC machined, etc. I would be interested in comparing the adj. mechanisms, but I would venture to guess they are pretty close in design. CRG's are nice levers - these look like it too...
I'm watching the Kawiforum group buy - they've gotten 5 people so far. Created an account just in case.
I was curious to know if the Pazzos have that clutch problem , did you ever get a chance to check for it. If they work it gets me that much closer to making a purchase with Pazzo racing. Please let me know ASAP.
thjey emailed me back right away saying, good to go. I am going out tomorrow morning and will know about 8am worse case i will just snap a piece of velcro in there
I know ill get boo'd .... i know ill get spat on, but here goes .....
For all you Pazzo supporters .... have you ever considered what a low down shitty thing it is to do , to copy someones product, then sell it on ebay undercutting the "original" price ? .
They are CLEARLY a CRG copy, no thought, no design .... just a copy. For this fact alone i would never support such a company. I have stock levers .... if i did buy aftermarket, id happily pay 70usd more and get CRG's. Support industry that supports you ... not useless fabricators that only immatate.
well you are correct in the fact i am going to spit and boo on you
1. almost every supplier i have talked to over the last 5 years has point blank told me they wished there was another company so they could NOT support CRG, why? well cause they are slow as balls and expensive that is why
2. the pazzos are not exact copies, like my clutch CRG had no part to push in the clutch switch, WTF? the pazzo did
3. not to be a pain but this is the USA, capitalism at it's finest it is called chit or get off the pot
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mrgrn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1. almost every supplier i have talked to over the last 5 years has point blank told me they wished there was another company so they could NOT support CRG, why? well cause they are slow as balls and expensive that is why
3. not to be a pain but this is the USA, capitalism at it's finest it is called chit or get off the pot </TD></TR></TABLE>
Green, On point 1, yes that maybe the case, and i do also know a cheape lever can be made (i am a fabricator of perf parts myself for import cars) but a copy ? . Ok you say they arent the same .... but from 5 ft away, that design is a identical copy ..... the trademarked look CRG has , Pazzo has ripped off. Thats what i think is low. I bet you have had the "Oh man thats some trick CRG levers man" line given to you ?
On point 2, your right. Capatlism is where its at, and you guys arent "chitting" so to speak. . Sadly the shit China is now pumping out (pun intended) be in most things, but for now lets say performance, is downright rude, and the average consumer is not looking for quality or reputation, they are cheap bastards, who will look for the cheapest. In the case exactly, of the Nissan 2L turbo gear, you can pick up a 'stainless' exhaust manifold for 300bux aus (260usd) , i cant buy material for that, and i charge $1500 for the same manifold. When i say same, i mean mine wont fall apart in 6 months, it wont have dags of weld inside it (the most critical part) that look like dog poo, the flanges arent warped and dont leak, the deign is actually thought out, and makes more hp ..... so the only thing in common is the fact they hold a turbo . Does the common consumer care ? Not at all .
Having said that, its SO easy to walk into a company in China that has German made machinery, to give em a CAD file and say "Make these half price of CRG and Pazzo." That would chit in both thier coffee, but again its not something id support. And yes, ive had some of my gear copied too .... hence why im so dark on the matter hahaha .
At the end of the day ..... its each to thier own i guess <wipes off spit>
hey man i see your point of being fair and not stealing somebodies ideas but what can you do?
i had supported CRG and bought their levers. I then sold them and supported pazzo, either way i paid and supported. pazzo made black CRGs if you will and i wanted them
I'm with SAF. F the pazzo levers. If you shop around you can find the crg's for only 50 bucks difference. I haven't ever had anything close to an issue getting support or parts for my or friends crg's.
than you don't, or did not have a 1000rr. I waited for 6 months for them to come out, bullchit IMO. You can,t wait until next years model is released to make a clutch lever, WTF?
the RC is old news and a 5 year old design of course they are available now for them but try having a new bike and waiting from may of last year until febuary of this yearor a clutch lever
i am all about me and my needs not all about CRG and their need, F them IMO if they can't make me happy i will gladly show my vote by spending my dough elsewhere, god bless america
This might not be my place , but SAF if thats the case would you not have to say that Dan Kyle would be in the same boat for making a copy of the Moriwaki shock link but because his is slightly cheaper and because he is Dan Kyle people have supported him and paid him for a copy of Moriwakis idea. I may be wrong but almost seems the same.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ikaika808 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This might not be my place , but SAF if thats the case would you not have to say that Dan Kyle would be in the same boat for making a copy of the Moriwaki shock link but because his is slightly cheaper and because he is Dan Kyle people have supported him and paid him for a copy of Moriwakis idea. I may be wrong but almost seems the same.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Your right and yes i would say the same. I may look at the bigger picture from the other angle as i manufacture while also prep race cars and some bikes. Where i see things is that when a product is copied, its commonly only a common slice that the copier can make some money on . When you get back to the manufacturer, they will in the end assess if its worth it , then consider that whole range for that model bike. Other parts may start to dissapear bcause they will see its not feasable to sell to the market of _____ owners, because they look for the cheapest product. Its a domino effect, and they instead concentrate thier efforts and R&D to a model of bike they know will make many more sales, possibly because the owners are wealthier, or just in general are faster bikes and people will spend money on them.
RB, Yes thats what patents are for, but the sad part is they can take a long time to get thru, and cost many thousands of dollars, tens of thousands for a worldwide patent. Having a US patent means nothing if you make em in China and import em via a wholesaler into USA.
Green, You said "hey man i see your point of being fair and not stealing somebodies ideas but what can you do?" . Like i said, easy, dont buy em. That hurts them as much they hurt CRG (im guessing CRG isnt a multi-million dollar manufacturing plant?) . But like i said, its only a opinion, nothing agaist who you shop with , nor am i dictating on who you should buy from. I do hear you on the colours tho, they dont make em in enuf colours, probably one reason i dont have a set.
I respect that fact that you feel this way. You've made your point, can we please move on? Everyone can agree to disagree. You won't change my mind that I want quality levers in black, and I won't change yours either. You don't like it - don't buy.
Now, about that group buy. Is everyone going through the Kawi forum or are we going to try to start our own.
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it is called chit or get off the pot 
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