TurnOne "RamAir Snorkel" Question:> Am I the Only 1?

[RVTMAVERICK]

As the title states,.. I'm wondering, if I am the only one here that has had Fueling problems, after installing this Beautiful TurnOne Ram Air Duct?

I've talked to Brett about it and I just wanted to ask, if any of you had problems as well?

After I installed said snorkel, (Beautifully Made!) My RC51 was running like CRAP in the RPM range say 3,300 RPM's and less, it was missing something horrible.... I made NO other changes.... anything over said RPM range, she ran Awesome!...
So I'm thinking a custom map right.... BUT why,.. when she was running so good before this mod., So before I start spending a bunch of money on a map, I figure I'm going to put the OEM back on first and see what happens....?
After I did the swap out and Installed OEM Ram Air Duct.... She was running as if it was never removed!.... KILLER!...

So,... have ALL you guys had custom maps made!??

TIA..

Peace

PS. I even put it up "for sale" and then had second thoughts.... LOL

[wibbly]

is your baro sensor plugged in and installed properly?

[Redstar]

Jeff did you have a custom map made for your Thorsten airbox before installing the snorkle? Or did you just get a map off of someone that had their bike dynoed and are currently using their map? Let us know.

[C-4 (Denmark)]

I dont know if its just you americans, but i would never borrow maps from others like the way you guys do.
Here in Denmark , you almost get it remapped if you change a clip-on.

[jazz]

Originally Posted by C-4 (Denmark)

I dont know if its just you americans, but i would never borrow maps from others like the way you guys do.
Here in Denmark , you almost get it remapped if you change a clip-on.

That's my philosophy... here in the UK. I have a custom map for the snorkle, air scoops and sp2 Tb's and ported heads but I would never share it with anyone... unless they paid 1/2 towards the dyno run! well we are in a resession aren't we?

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by C-4 (Denmark)

I dont know if its just you americans, but i would never borrow maps from others like the way you guys do.
Here in Denmark , you almost get it remapped if you change a clip-on.

helpful reply! ^^^
maybe "us" americans as you like to generalize..well maybe we are just getting the bikes sorted out and will AFTER all the mods are done, no need to get 4 dyno runs everytime you alter the bike. or maybe there isnt a tuner close and we have to wait. or maybe its christmas and its time to spend money on others? Hmmmm, guess you fellas across the big water got all the answers

sorry to jack your thread jeff

[jazz]

Originally Posted by robfromsc

helpful reply! ^^^
maybe "us" americans as you like to generalize..well maybe we are just getting the bikes sorted out and will AFTER all the mods are done, no need to get 4 dyno runs everytime you alter the bike. or maybe there isnt a tuner close and we have to wait. or maybe its christmas and its time to spend money on others? Hmmmm, guess you fellas across the big water got all the answers

sorry to jack your thread jeff

Sorry about this Jeff......

Rob, FWIW it's pointless running the bike on 1/2 the mods without a dyno run. Most of the better mods for the SP's are fuel/power related so you will need to get a dyno run to make the change work better for your bike.

if you can only get 1 or 2 mods done at any one time for whatever reason, get the thing dyno'd, you could be doing damage with over/under fueling. Not good practice. I would budget for 2-3 dyno runs if you are doing upgrade mods in stages... and don't lend a map from another PC....

Each bike is different no matter what it says on the side of the fairings!

Sorry, carry on...

[RVTMAVERICK]

Originally Posted by wibbly

is your baro sensor plugged in and installed properly?

Hey Will,

Yeah man, that was the first thing I wondered about,.. So I did disc. and reconc., with no effect.
Plus, IF this was the problem.... would it not effect the Whole RPM range anyhow....?

Thanks Will,

Peace Jeff

[RVTMAVERICK]

Originally Posted by Redstar

Jeff did you have a custom map made for your Thorsten airbox before installing the snorkle? Or did you just get a map off of someone that had their bike dynoed and are currently using their map? Let us know.

Yes,... I kinda wished I didn't now... LOL

[RVTMAVERICK]

Originally Posted by C-4 (Denmark)

I dont know if its just you americans, but i would never borrow maps from others like the way you guys do.
Here in Denmark , you almost get it remapped if you change a clip-on.

Well C-4,

It is nowhere near quite so bad here as that, so Yes, US Americans swap maps.... and IF it is off just alittle bit, say 10-15% I can make a map work, IF it isn't too far outside of the EFI requirements that is ... This has been MY experience anyhow, until now!??

Peace

[RVTMAVERICK]

Originally Posted by jazz

That's my philosophy... here in the UK. I have a custom map for the snorkle, air scoops and sp2 Tb's and ported heads but I would never share it with anyone... unless they paid 1/2 towards the dyno run! well we are in a resession aren't we?

Hey jazz,

Well, I really have NO problem offering some one alittle cash,... IF I feel they mods. are cloest enough to mine and IF I feel like the dyno operator has a clue.... as I've seen maps here,... I would not take for free... anyhow....

Not to share with anyone really makes this a sore spot for me... as so many before You and to present time, have shared Everything they've got! IF these guys didn't share what they have done to their rides.... WhereTF would you be!?

And you mean to tell me,... You have Never had any help for free, that You didn't take!?!
Piss poor mind set bro., IMHO..

Peace

[RVTMAVERICK]

Originally Posted by robfromsc

helpful reply! ^^^
maybe "us" americans as you like to generalize..well maybe we are just getting the bikes sorted out and will AFTER all the mods are done, no need to get 4 dyno runs everytime you alter the bike. or maybe there isnt a tuner close and we have to wait. or maybe its christmas and its time to spend money on others? Hmmmm, guess you fellas across the big water got all the answers

sorry to jack your thread jeff

Ding Ding Ding.... Give this man a cigar! How much do you want to spend on dyno runs, when you know you've got another mod. coming in 2 months!??

Thanks Rob, couldn't have said it better myself...

[wingnutt]

Originally Posted by RVTMAVERICK

Yes,... I kinda wished I didn't now... LOL

Jeff,I had two maps made... one for the satos oem everything else.
smooth... way better than stock.
2004

Last year I got the box/snorkel and whitwings / stunna helped me get the pair flapper and box in...I borrowed Jasons map for banzais cans raced in the rain it felt and ran good.
2008

Got it in street trim and remapped gained a ton of grunt and this is perfect fueling.
Present

Thorsten Air Box ???

The key is the dyno operator.

[selfinfliction]

cheap way to find out if it's getting too much air:

put duct tape covering 75% of the intake and go run it, then do 50% covered and 25% covered. will take about 5 minutes to find out

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by selfinfliction

cheap way to find out if it's getting too much air:

put duct tape covering 75% of the intake and go run it, then do 50% covered and 25% covered. will take about 5 minutes to find out

thats a great idea... lil cardboard and some duct tape its crude but will tell you in minutes

[El Pozzinator]

jeff,

as you know, i'm running the turnone snorkel, CF airbox that we ordered, and two bros highmount slip-ons. i'm using the moriwaki low map that i got off dynojet's website. i'm at about 3800 feet elevation in the pittsburgh pa area, though, so i think my air's a little thinner than yours. personally i think i'm still running a little lean, but that map made the best balance "under the curve" with the smoothest line up the dyno chart.

i'd say give that one a shot unless you've swapped (as discussed earlier) to that thorsten airbox. in which case, i'd maybe point you at getting hold of firstcherokee down in FL, as i think she was running a thorsten box but a stock snorkel (unless she's swapped that out recently) on her track bike.

bottom line, you already know... until you get all the mods slapped on, there's little point in paying for the several redundant hours of dyno time each time you change something else... unless you've got cash you really don't know what to do with (in which case, i'm sure you can find much more productive ways to spend it).

sorry for my lack of contribution as of late... new job is taking a TON of time. hope all's well and cheers to y'all.
-mike

[C-4 (Denmark)]

Originally Posted by RVTMAVERICK

Well C-4,

It is nowhere near quite so bad here as that, so Yes, US Americans swap maps.... and IF it is off just alittle bit, say 10-15% I can make a map work, IF it isn't too far outside of the EFI requirements that is ... This has been MY experience anyhow, until now!??

Peace

Yeah i hear you, i wasen't trying to take the piss on you or being a smartass or anything its just that no bikes runs the same even if its the same model and year, so if you borrow a map and i works fine it can be alittle off, it might not work so fine when you add another mod and be completly off. that was just my point, that you can't expect it to run like a champ when its no custom to your own bike..
I got my custum dynoed only a few months ago and i've got the same Turnone snorkel comming to me soon, so i'll have the same prob as you but i know for sure that i won't spend loads of money on mods/tuning
and do it half assed and not having it working 100% as it could = Dynoed once again.

RobfromSC no need to get the panties twisted, i'm just saying that americans are those iv'e encountered that shares maps the most and you are bound to end up with a map that isn't doing your bike justice-
It's not like we love spending money on the dyno, taken in mind that our bikes costs something like 2-3 times more than you guys does.

[robfromsc]

Originally Posted by C-4 (Denmark)

RobfromSC no need to get the panties twisted, i'm just saying that americans are those iv'e encountered that shares maps the most and you are bound to end up with a map that isn't doing your bike justice-
It's not like we love spending money on the dyno, taken in mind that our bikes costs something like 2-3 times more than you guys does.

not twisted, just hated the generalized comment. no worries

jeff get back to us with your results... ya going to try and block off some flow?

[JBs_SP3]

Interesting post. I discussed the T1 snorkel with Brett ages ago and he told me it didn't flow that much more air than OEM (limiting factor being the intake has to pass through the vents in the frame at the steering head anyway) so I suspected your Baro sensor also. If the sensor's OK then I'm surprised (impressed?) your fueling is that much out.

Yes: no 2 bikes are the same which is precisely why I'm happy to give my map (T1 air box, Akro full system) to any Zilla member who wants it FOC. Hell if I was racing against you it would be different but I'm not so there you go ... if it helps anyone get their bike closer to running right I'm happy. The info I've got for free from this site couldn't even be calculated in $ terms plus a few golden individuals here have gone far out of their way to help me out

Oh ... and the occasional bitch sessions beat the hell out of Thai TV for entertainment.

[jazz]

Originally Posted by RVTMAVERICK

Hey jazz,

Well, I really have NO problem offering some one alittle cash,... IF I feel they mods. are cloest enough to mine and IF I feel like the dyno operator has a clue.... as I've seen maps here,... I would not take for free... anyhow....

Not to share with anyone really makes this a sore spot for me... as so many before You and to present time, have shared Everything they've got! IF these guys didn't share what they have done to their rides.... WhereTF would you be!?

And you mean to tell me,... You have Never had any help for free, that You didn't take!?!
Piss poor mind set bro., IMHO..

Peace

Jeff, everyone takes information for free.... if they want to listen. But what I can't understand is why people ask for dyno maps that the person before has had to pay for? it's crazy! My map has got the SP2 TB's not sure if your on an SP1 or 2.... ?

don't preach to me about giving things away I always like to help out where I can.....