Don't know why, but this made me think of the famous "King Kenny" quote; "I've never seen anyone loose the front end ON the GAS...."
-Rocky-
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Are Rc51's prone too high side, with stock suspesion setup?
I have had a RC or two over the last 4-5 years and have highsided twice. I have saved at least 3 or more attemps at the race track over the years. I have never losted the front, or seen someone else loose the front (RC51) that I can remember. All on stock suspension. I have also wittnessed friends highside there RCs at the track on the stock stuff. To anwser your question yes they are sensitive to highsides and mistakes at race pace on the stock stuff.
I have only known stock suspension on my RC51's and all I can say is that in my experience, the RC will give you a short warning before it gets beyond the point of not return and it generally will allow you to steer out of a bad ensuing high side. I only had to save one full-lock steering rear slide in second gear coming out of a bus-stop corner and that was mosly my fault, I got ham fisted on that one. Other than that, if you aren't at max lean you can give these things everything you got and if the rear spools up you don't flinch because the nature of the v-twin engine keeps things somewhat under control. You just have to get used to riding out the slide.
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I have only known stock suspension on my RC51's and all I can say is that in my experience, the RC will give you a short warning before it gets beyond the point of not return .....
I beg to differ. I had NO warning....however, it was my own fault. Ham fisted? I turned the whole damn pig when this one let loose...........
However, ANY bike can highside if too much throttle is given too soon exiting a corner, or if the suspension isn't set up properly.
I asked this question because I had 3 close calls this year and saved them by staying on the gas and not breaking. But I highsided on the 4th one at Pocono East.
Left handed turn, Guy infront of me slowed down way too much causing me to enter the turn a bit slow and I tried to exit a bit fast. I think it was that and the fact that I have stock suspension setup and I weigh 215 lbs.
I felt the back end sweep out and I held it pretty much threw the whole turn and then lost it. It was a pretty viloent crash but not much damage to the bike, it ended up in the grass.
I'm going to Pocono again on thur for the Fusa course. I'm trying to learn as much as possible and abviously get faster, therefore I'm pushing myself and with the stock suspension I'm afraid of another high side.
I have some pictures taken from behind during the high side, I will post them later. I couldn't upload, it said file too large?
Don't chop the thottle. Sometimes easier said than done. Plain and simple if your ride it to the edge anything can and will eventually happen. Risk / Reward, your choice.
3 close calls during a race season or just trackdays?
If you are trying to get somone to stand next to ya and point at your bike and chime in with; "Ya see that red thingy back there? well that thar is the reason ya highsided, yas sir. Youse need to go fetch yerself one of them thar OHLEENS shock-a-ma-jigs"
However the rear shock on the bike as delivered is a piece of crap and it will not allow you to tune out much.
As far as the comments of the RC not being prone to losing the front end, that is total horse shit. The thing is very heavy, carries most of its weight on the front and when trail braking it can and will tuck faster then you can react. 90% of the people that have tossed the RC lost the front first. The RC has more rear grip when properly set up then any bike I have ever ridden. Hell I have picked the front tire up off of turn exits when my knee was still down.
Here we go. This is after the turn. I stayed on the throttle and that kept me from going down in the turn, but afterwards I had a very violent wobble/ Tank slap. Front and bake was wobbleing severly.......................................
Here we go. This is after the turn. I stayed on the throttle and that kept me from going down in the turn, but afterwards I had a very violent wobble/ Tank slap. Front and bake was wobbleing severly.......................................
That's a common place that guys lose it. After you start in the corner, it's almost a double apex and if you get anxious and start prematurely twisting the throttle too hard, the back comes around. The guy in front of you probably checked up cause he turned in too early.....
The pic in my signature is that very same turn, coming at you. Pit-in is to my left, if you're looking at the pic.
The rear of my bike squats so hard, the bodywork scrapes in the rear. If your rear compression is set to high, or your preload, the rear can pack up and have no place to go. It's also not banked, so hammering the throttle is a double no-no.
I gaurentee, too much throttle is suspect here.........
Don't chop the thottle. Sometimes easier said than done. Plain and simple if your ride it to the edge anything can and will eventually happen. Risk / Reward, your choice.
3 close calls during a race season or just trackdays?
AVR89, the big problem with Pocono is very few of the corners are banked in your favor. The double apex off the back straight is banked *NEGATIVELY* , and that bit me in the ass......
Shake it off. Roll the throttle a little smoother and pay attention to when your giving it throttle. If the bike is leaning and you're on the side of the tire, you better be gently or the rear can pop out on ya........
That's a common place that guys lose it. After you start in the corner, it's almost a double apex and if you get anxious and start prematurely twisting the throttle too hard, the back comes around. The guy in front of you probably checked up cause he turned in too early.....
The pic in my signature is that very same turn, coming at you. Pit-in is to my left, if you're looking at the pic.
The rear of my bike squats so hard, the bodywork scrapes in the rear. If your rear compression is set to high, or your preload, the rear can pack up and have no place to go. It's also not banked, so hammering the throttle is a double no-no.
I gaurentee, too much throttle is suspect here.........
Are you using a steering damper???
I def feal like the back end "has no place to go". At 215lbs hard in a turn on the throttle there is too much pressure on the shock and just lets the pressure out by the tire slipping out from underneath.
I have a scotts damper, and it was set pretty stiff, but I hadent set the nob under the black cover. Only the one that is expossed. ( I stiffened it up after that day!)
High side
I had NO warning....however, it was my own fault. Ham fisted? I turned the whole damn pig when this one let loose...........
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