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Just curious if anyone knows what the hrc rc51's that they used to run in ama or world superbike used to weigh in at..
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:14 PM
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Back then, the minimum AMA weight allowed was 355.

AMA isn't that far from stock, so I'll guess about 420 or so.

For MotoGP, my *guess* was they were in the 370-380 ranges.....
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:18 PM
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I cant wait to see the weight of eye-p's RC when and if ( ) he ever gets it finished!
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Old 08-03-2006, 05:18 PM
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I cant wait to see the weight of eye-p's RC when and if ( ) he ever gets it finished!
Are we ever really *finished* with our bikes..........???
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Mine's not finished - it's been in my living room for four months
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:21 PM
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As far as weight reductions go I think the most practical and cost effective method would be to LOSE SOME WEIGHT! How many of you lard asses buy carbon fiber this and that and then go eat a large pizza with a biggie coke.....Oh well, sorry for the rant, fat people irritate me..
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So it can be done!
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So it can be done!
Sure it *can* be done. But some of the uberlight bikes cost in excess of 250K, as well...........some even more.

At what point do you give up trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and go buy some chicken?

A GSXR 1K is 386 lbs, out of the box, before lightening anything. Trying to make an RC51 that light is like trying to make a Yugo a 7 second Quater-miler.

Can it be done?

Sure................cha-ching...................
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................cha-ching...................
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see that "2006 GSXR600" at the bottom of my sig.

that thing weights less than 350 lbs and have over 110 horses (i think 117, dont knowbut its f'n fast)

under full throttle over 120mph flys by the big piggy!

technology has come a long way since the year 2000, it is unfortunate that the RC-51 hasn't. this doesn't mean we are all going to go buy new 4 bangers... hell no, but ignorance, and reality are two seperate things.
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:01 PM
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I would guess the HRC bikes to be right around the old minimum weight, as Dave suggested. However, there was in fact room to lighten them further.

Thorsten most likely has his bike below 355lbs at this point as he is using some things that HRC just wouldnt do like the external alternator, etc...

MotoGP bikes are governed according to number of cylinders for weight:

Cylinders 2004 2007 change
2Cylinder 135Kg 137Kg +2Kg
3Cylinder 135Kg 140.5Kg +5.5Kg
4Cylinder 145Kg 148Kg +3Kg
5Cylinder 145Kg 155.5Kg +10.5Kg
6Cylinder 155Kg 163Kg +8Kg



As my RC sits right now it weighs just about 400lbs with 1 gallon fuel. It should be around 400 fully fueled by next year. After that, its starts to really become expensive...in fact impossible for me to justify.
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Well, I haven't done anything really to lower the weight on mine and she's sitting @ 455 lbs now in race trim.. if I drop much more weight I'll be on a commercial with some guy saying "for only 40 cents a day..."



What really got me thinking about how light I can get it was hearing how much Ed Key's SV650 (races in CCS) weighs this past weekend.. I knew it was light, but never knew it was below 300 lbs
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Well, I haven't done anything really to lower the weight on mine and she's sitting @ 455 lbs now in race trim.. if I drop much more weight I'll be on a commercial with some guy saying "for only 40 cents a day..."
Realistically, the RC51 loses some decent weight by replacing wheels and exhaust. All the other stuff is little stuff, considering the weight of the added PCIII, Steering stabilizer and other various bits... it's easier on a track bike, IMHO, because now you're pulling off lights, horn, wiring and other stuff that's necessary to be legal.

PAIR items are some weight, as is the flapper deal. again....it adds up....

Thorsten is lucky enough to be able to build his own stuff, as is Mark.

Lighter bodywork would help, as do clip-ons and ditching the barend weights.

Like Eye-p said: reducing fuel is a weight saver. I used to top my bike off at the track. Now I realize that it actually handles better with out that added top-end weight. At a stout 7.5 lbs a gallon, it adds up.

The engine, frame and forks are what they are.....weight reduction in those areas is pure, unadultrated money.....

She's a porker.................but we lover her.
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Like Eye-p said: reducing fuel is a weight saver. I used to top my bike off at the track. Now I realize that it actually handles better with out that added top-end weight. At a stout 7.5 lbs a gallon, it adds up.

The engine, frame and forks are what they are.....weight reduction in those areas is pure, unadultrated money.....

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7.5 gallons not with the stock tank. what are you using? I ran out of fuel once on a ride and my brother had to ride me to a gas station on the back of his R1. Kind of like admitting you slept with the fat girl. anyway, it was like I think 4.9 gallons to the top.
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7.5 gallons not with the stock tank.
I'm using a stock tank. I said......

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Like Eye-p said: reducing fuel is a weight saver. I used to top my bike off at the track. Now I realize that it actually handles better with out that added top-end weight. At a stout 7.5 lbs a gallon, it adds up.
7.5 lbs per gallon....... per gallon...........the stock tank is 4.8 gallons.
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All it takes is money. I'm sure Ed's bike is putting out over 100hp or so also. Start buying your Ti parts too.

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What really got me thinking about how light I can get it was hearing how much Ed Key's SV650 (races in CCS) weighs this past weekend.. I knew it was light, but never knew it was below 300 lbs
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All it takes is money. I'm sure Ed's bike is putting out over 100hp or so also. Start buying your Ti parts too.
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me..

Glad he's not running in any classes I am
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fat people irritate me..
And what did we ever do to you?
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Ate his dinner. Thats why he's so damn skinny and irritable.
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I sometimes wonder where all the heft is hiding. I also swear my race RC feels heavier than my street RC. For sure it is much lighter, but damn is it still a pig to move around the trailer and pits. I have never seen such a stronger and heavier frame on a modern sportbike so I know some extra weight is hiding in there. The swingarms compared to say a Yamaha are also much heavier. The forks are not small either and the triple tree is definitely not screwing around when it comes to weight and strength. But all those parts being stronger and therefore heavier doesn't add up to 100 lbs more than other big bore sportbikes. I can lift and carry up or down several flights of stairs a modern I-4 engine. I have done this regretably several times. I cannot, however, repeat that same feat with my RC engines. Somewhere in that engine department is the extra weight. But even that seems strange to me because there are half the cylinders and the design fo a V-twin allows it to be more compact than an I-4. But somewhere in the engine is the heft and sorting that out is a big step towards a lighter RC. And that will also take a lot of cha..ching.
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