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Old 04-11-2006, 06:09 AM
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Just wondering if Honda would ever consider another updated RC?
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:14 AM
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yes it will be ultra rare 2010 rc55. v-5 200hp 210 mph only 267 will be made. better get on the list quick. rogue members get first dibs. 45k apiece i am allready on the reservations list
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Old 04-11-2006, 06:39 AM
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yes it will be ultra rare 2010 rc55. v-5 200hp 210 mph only 267 will be made. better get on the list quick. rogue members get first dibs. 45k apiece i am allready on the reservations list



I have spoken today with MR Hiroshima Yakota-Takumaisan, about this new RC55.

It unfortunately will be a very limited run of just 55 units per year.
Keeping with the model designation.

Each year will have a different colour scheme as well.

I have placed my deposit $20,000 a while ago. and MR Hiroshima Yakota-Takumaisan has promised me (in writing the 5th model) as the 1st will be held by the factory.
2nd will be auctioned of for charity.
3rd is going to Mick Doohan
4th Unknown ( Sultan of Brunei) poss.
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Just wondering if Honda would ever consider another updated RC?
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According to the Europeans, there already is an SP3. It would be the 2003 model. SP4 is 2004, SP5-2005, etc........

SP1 and 2 are Euro terms that we use, to determine 00-01, and 02-05 models.
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According to the Europeans, there already is an SP3. It would be the 2003 model. SP4 is 2004, SP5-2005, etc........
Ummmm....no.

SP1 was non-US 2000/2001 models.

SP2 was non-US models from 2002 up.

FWIW, SP1/SP2 and RC51 are simply marketing designations, unlike the RC30 and RC45 designations that are also embedded in the bike's VIN.

As for the original question, it's my opinion that Honda will not do another major update (if so, please drop 70 lbs and add 10 more relaible HP) unless WSB or the AMA makes a major rule change favoring twins again. As for whether there will be a 2007 model sold, Honda has a long history of continuing to sell non-updated models as long as the units are moving off the floor (e.g. Superhawk, XL650).

[EDIT] Fixed the 2001 typo.

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SP1 was non-US 2001/2001 models.
Ummm no the SP1 stand for non-US 2000/2001 models...
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hey i had a dream about this last nite ..i dream that honda released a new rc51 with a totally different look with urgraded power(same engine but with more horsepower)..it suprised everybodies coz no one think they going to update the 51...

wish my dream come true..
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Honda has a long history of continuing to sell non-updated models as long as the units are moving off the floor (e.g. Superhawk, XL650)
Very true. As long as we keep buying them they will keep making them. Of course with zero upgrades.
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Well, I guess that rumor has it that WSB may allow 1200cc twins at some point in the very near future... I guess Ducati is really pushing for it, and they may even be making there next superbike a 1200cc model. Ir they do, who knows?

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They already did. The RC51/SP-2s replacement is called a CBR1000RR.
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Ummmm....no.

SP1 was non-US 2001/2001 models.

SP2 was non-US models from 2002 up.
Using this example, G-Man. Key word being "Unofficially"...



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My is that in Euro land, VTR1000 stood for 'Vee twin racer'. 1000 is obvious. SP1 is 'Sports production 1.' This was for year 2000. You can guess where Im headed for SP2...
Here in the UK, the Superhawk is the VTR1000F, known as the Firestorm. We never had a VTR1000R, or RVT. Agreed, RC51 is the HRC designation, as in RC45, RC30 and so on.
There were a few early RC's known in the UK as the SPW and SPY. These are supposed to be early models, possibly from 1999. I never saw one, But Edwards rode an SPW, and my owners manual says SP-Y. (she's a 2000). My understanding is that the SPW/Y were race bikes only.
Unoffically, in some stealerships, a 2003 RC is called an SP3, and 04 a SP4 and so on. Its not unusual to see SP5 and 6 in perts brochures over here, despite there being no changes bar the paint since 02.

No idea if this is all true, it's just what is aggreed on over here!
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My is that in Euro land, VTR1000 stood for 'Vee twin racer'. 1000 is obvious. SP1 is 'Sports production 1.' This was for year 2000. You can guess where Im headed for SP2...
Here in the UK, the Superhawk is the VTR1000F, known as the Firestorm. We never had a VTR1000R, or RVT. Agreed, RC51 is the HRC designation, as in RC45, RC30 and so on.
There were a few early RC's known in the UK as the SPW and SPY. These are supposed to be early models, possibly from 1999. I never saw one, But Edwards rode an SPW, and my owners manual says SP-Y. (she's a 2000). My understanding is that the SPW/Y were race bikes only.
Unoffically, in some stealerships, a 2003 RC is called an SP3, and 04 a SP4 and so on. Its not unusual to see SP5 and 6 in perts brochures over here, despite there being no changes bar the paint since 02.

No idea if this is all true, it's just what is aggreed on over here!
Well, all they are doing there (more or less; I think) is taking the model year designation from the VIN (11th digit) and using that after the "SP"


w - 1198
x - 1999
y - 2000
1 - 2001
2 - 2002...
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No idea if this is all true, it's just what is aggreed on over here!
Show me a single piece of official Honda documentation that refers to anything but SP1/SP2/RC51/RVT100R then it's valid.

Until then it's just supposition.
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Well, I guess that rumor has it that WSB may allow 1200cc twins at some point in the very near future... I guess Ducati is really pushing for it, and they may even be making there next superbike a 1200cc model. Ir they do, who knows?
Wouldn't that 1200cc displacement change be for air-cooled twins only?
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Interesting.....take a look at their bike list for parts:



http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/moto...el_links/honda

Honda VTR 1000 SP1 SPY (2000)
Honda VTR 1000 SP1 SP1 (2001)
Honda VTR 1000 SP2 SP2 (2002)
Honda VTR 1000 SP2 SP3 (2003)
Honda VTR 1000 SP2 SP4 (2004)

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Honda VTR 1000 SP3 2003

Cod. GRM03897

Honda VTR 1000 SP3
Modello 2003

Colore Bianco



http://www.romanellimoto.com/commy/p...ODOTTO_ID=3897

Not anything official through HRC, simply a European trend........
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A Google search turning up a couple of European aftermarket part web sites printing erroneus info does not justify propagating the misinformation as a "trend".

Once again show me a OEM SP3/SP4 decal or paint, a Honda brochure, or any single Honda website referencing those designations on retail sale units and I'll retract my statement.

Until then it's just people asserting misinformation as fact. It never ceases to amaze me how many folks read anything on the internet and immediatly assume the validity of said information is above reproach.

It's almost as bad as guys who refer to their US/Canadian RC51's as SP1's/SP2's.
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Who gives a ****! They are HONDA's plain and simple...
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A Google search turning up a couple of European aftermarket part web sites printing erroneus info does not justify propagating the misinformation as a "trend".

Once again show me a OEM SP3/SP4 decal or paint, a Honda brochure, or any single Honda website referencing those designations on retail sale units and I'll retract my statement.

Until then it's just people asserting misinformation as fact. It never ceases to amaze me how many folks read anything on the internet and immediatly assume the validity of said information is above reproach.

It's almost as bad as guys who refer to their US/Canadian RC51's as SP1's/SP2's.
Whoa.....easy there, G-man... You're missing it all together....

Read my posts. I agreed with you. I posted what someone else said, and quoted it, not claiming it as fact at all. The other posts were just showing that in his words, people in England DO refer to them as SP3, SP4.... based on year of production, be it right or wrong.

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Not anything official through HRC, simply a European trend........
I never agreed that HRC, Honda Motor Corporation named the bikes that, and even said that it was a "trend" based on a few part houses in England/Britian using those terms, with again, no reference to HONDA or anything official from Honda Motor Corporation....


If you read the post where someone asked recently: what's the difference between RVT1000, VTR1000, Sp1, SP2, RC51, I answered the question EXACTLY as you stated, with SP1 being 00-01 models and SP2 being 02-present models.........

In fact, I even answered the question, on the 5th post of this thread...

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SP1 and 2 are Euro terms that we use, to determine 00-01, and 02-05 models.
I agree........there is no SP3, SP4, or otherwise.............. Decaf, brutha, DECAF......
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I am as uncomfortable as you in refering to the 'SP3, SP4 etc. For the record, the information I have been quoted on saying was just that. Information. Does it really matter who believes who, and whats an 'unacceptable' designation. I was just sharing what is said here, over the pond. I personally refer to my bike as RC51, to me it sounds better, and I like to think it comes from the same lineage as the RC30 and RC45...
These are not my views, just what goes on over here in blighty.
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