Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Gee, couldn't find any of sean penn shaking hands with him, or how 'bout cindy shaking hugo chavez's hand? Wait a minute, I may be ablle to dig up a French Govt. contract selling laser guided bombs, anti aircraft missles and chemical weapons to Baghdad a few months before the US invasion. Yeah, gotta love them frogs........
-Rocky-
You can't find it, Rocky, because it doesn't exist. Just like your other bloviating nonsense about "teh Fwench selling missiles to teh Iraqis, who am bad men wot hayt Amerikkka..."
Found any WMD yet ??
You truly need to pull your head out of your oily Reich-wing propaganda-filled butt and sniff some clear-air of Reality. It'll do you good.
The Iraqis had some ancient Roland SAM's we had sold them waaaaaaaay back when we were "pals", back when you, too, were jizzing your pants selling them tons of chemical goop and the means of deploying it, as well as handing your buddy Saddam all the satellite intel for his range-finding against the Iranians.
Chavez is a bit of an idiot, but compared to the sinister fascist scum you happy-clapped for and armed, trained and supported over the last 80 years, he's the messiah.
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Its so typical. He can't even take the slightest joke without resorting to name calling. I never called you names. My 5 year old can come up with better retorts than that.
Since you went there....
Your a close minded fool, and the most dangerous of them all, your so narrow minded that you seem to think your not. Your views are so singular that you can't see the forest for the trees. When some one questions you in the slightest you spin off like a buffoon. You think that anyone with a different idea than your is wrong, and typical to fashion you resort to petty insults. You cannot come up with a real argument so you either toss back what you've been taught or you spit blood and ashes. You cannot think on your own. But still you think you know it all, and I'm sure you'll have a nifty comeback insulting me personally. Everytime you speak, you prove my point.
You have no argument. Healthcare isn't some gold apple available to the elite. I'm by no means wealthy but still I've managed to have coverage my adult life. I've had to work for it and make choices but so what. I have a pre-existing condition, I have colitis, had it since I was 17 and I'm now 2 weeks from being 38. 21 years of coverage. Out on my own at 17, never had the govt or daddy to suck off of. I own a small struggling business, pay for everything myself. Sometimes you have to make the choice between smokes beer and bling and take care of yourself and family. Its a cause and effect disorder that your ilk suffer from.
Grow up, stop waiting for daddy to fix it and grow a set.
Clink clink dick.
I understand your POV, and that of Rocky, too. Well explained.
I understand why you feel that healthcare should be a personal responsibility.
I also wonder if you bitch and moan about billions, nay, trillions, being wasted on "new-clee-yar" submarines that are obsolete when faced with super-cavitation torpedoes and stealth bummers that can't fly in the rain, as well as million buck bolts to hold together million buck trucks that serve no useful purpose in a criminally incompetent trillions-of-dollars war to augment even more the wealth of the tiny elite that appear to own your brain ?
You whine that everyone should "pay their way", yet seem oblivious to the simple fact that America is the ONLY industrialized nation that denies basic health-care coverage for it's citizens, yet spends more than the ENTIRE planet combined in stupid-ass weapon systems that mostly don't work, unless the wedding party is well lit up...
The vast amount of bankrupt people in America HAD health insurance, yet because your system is greed-based, found themselves between a Rocky and a hard place if they ever had the misfortune to fall ill.
I think this is wrong. It's inhuman, and it sucks.
IMHO.
I don't know about you, Rob, but I would be concerned about this. Especially for your children and their children. And your "Golden years".
"The debate over healthcare reform in the United States centers around questions of a right to health care, access, fairness, sustainability, and quality purchased by the high sums spent. The mixed public-private health care system United States is the most expensive in the world, with health care costing more per person than in any other nation, and a greater portion of gross domestic product (GDP) is spent on it than in any other United Nations member state except for East Timor.
A study of international health care spending levels in the year 2000, published in the health policy journal in the Health Affairs, found that while the U.S. spends more on health care than other countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
(OECD), the use of health care services in the U.S. is below the OECD median by most measures. The authors of the study concluded that the prices paid for health care services are much higher in the U.S.
The U.S. is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system, according to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences and others. The number of people in America without health insurance coverage at some time during 2006 totaled about 16% of the population, or 47 million people.
In addition, many or most of those with insurance are not sufficiently insured, with high-deductible policies, policies that do have limits on what they will pay for or policies that cost a significant percentage of their income.
In spite of the amount spent on health care in the US, according to a 2008 report, the United States ranks last in the quality of health care among developed countries. The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the US health care system 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).
Great post Kiwi. After reading up more I can appreciate my nation's health "system". I dont begrudge anyone for healthcare at anytime they need it.. Kinda like America's hospitals in Iraq.. helping those who need it no matter their income, ethnicity or, religion or gender. Amazing job being done by the American medical effort in Iraq... Not a very realistic, common or sustainable hospital/medical situation there but ask anyone, from Soldier to Shiite, who has received that first class care and they will all tell you that it was "world class"... Why stop at having that care just for soldiers or just for wealthy nations? Why have such "anomalies"? Why not call the highest standards of living on earth, clean, sustainable and health based?
I want the entire healthcare "system" to take responsibility for it's pollution and it's "solutions". No reason to give the "healthcare" system the rights to dump uber toxic wastes into the air, rivers, oceans and/or mounds of earth...in the name of cost, health, inconvenience or profit. As usual, the ecological aspects sit way down on the list when they should be first and foremost.
Rob has a point but I think it's a bit old fashioned. Like the right's comprehension of the changing planet and it's peoples, science and understanding. The "socialism" that many on the right call bad names, is what the entire world needs. We need to take care of each other, world-wide, or the lowered standards, that we leave unattended or increase, will bring down the loftiest societies with the "highest" standards.
Think of it as raising the social standards of living or increasing the safety of the social infrastructure. Sewer systems aren't just for the wealthy now are they? Even money blinded, greedy assholes can see that disease and decadence will follow "exclusive", "private" or BROKEN sewer systems (slash) healthcare.. Ideas will still flourish in a socially founded world, business will still have it's ways and the clever, innovative, hard working citizens will have ways to live in prosperity and peace without disparity brewing up anarchy.. The capitalistic socialists will find a way...
Why shouldn't Rob enjoy a higher tier of healthcare if he wants to spend his money on it? He should, obviously. Why should he have any if others have none? Because he's lucky enough to be able to work hard? Because he's lucky enough to be smart about it? Some people are just too stupid to take care of themselves properly, they should't degrade Rob's healthcare or make his more expensive. The insurance companies should "credit" you Rob.. for being so adamant and thorough about your approach to health. Either you get more features in your healthcare package or you pay less... You get an insurance rebate or discount if you dont smoke or race motorcycles... there ya go.
Aside from the moral dilemma of healthy and sick, obese and starving etc., we need something to call a standard. Smart socialism is much better than rat picked, overly compromised, financially unsound, politically motivated leftovers of the right wing's failing grade and strict, capitalistic philosophies. Even the filthy rich wouldn't want to see a return to the days of Dickens would they... would they?
I say that the right has lost it's argument; that socialism is dangerous or un-American. The 25% of Americans who seem to think there is a going back to raw, exploration based, unregulated capitalism, need to pull their heads out of their asses instead of causing another nation cracking crisis. Why are people allowed to start uber trillion dollar, wrong wars and still screech and scream about spending money on infrastructure, education, healthcare and the future of the nation? It makes no sense to listen to war monger's "plans" for home health. We humans have reached the end of the earth's "endless" frontiers... we need now to think about what that means. All people, all together all in need and, all in all, alright.
It seems to me, after a fair amount of study, that it is "un-American" to promote war, industry and bad business in foreign nations and to use American know how, and resources, to force narrow, violent profiteering, democracy killing and misdirected agendas through, and over, legal standpoints, basic laws of humanity and nature. I didnt see any anti-war protests from the people now protesting the proposed investments in the health of the nation.
On top of it all, the health "system" is losing BIG money. That alone should spark the interest of the right. However, as we all have seen, the right isnt really the right anymore. They'd rather embarrass Pelosi than to save their country a few trillion. There is an excuse of every level and the mistake/error/poor performance quotient is through the roof. Asking the right what to do is the equivalent of asking the bankers to fix Wall St...... Traditional capitalism, the kind the right was imprinted with, died with the collapse of Wall St...
It's a new paradigm now, and calling it names, or spreading lies about it, doesnt change the fact that it is here... to stay...
I hope we shape it smartly.
Lemme see here, you (a Canadian) from a nation with scoialized health care that is a dismal failure and going bankrupt (by your own nations admissions) are gonna tell US how it's done? Are you seriously thinking the Feds can run a health care system better than say, the Post Office or the IRS? I wouldn't trust them to run the S.P.C.A.! And the part about "us all together, all around the world......" Sounds like a Pepsi commercial from the 70's, bust out the accoustic and rock us some Kum-Ba-YA while yer here......
-Rocky-
PS. We don't need to "try" and embarass pelosi, she does a good enough job all on her own, she's the best thing to happen to the Right since billary.................
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Yeah, great post Kiwi. Tell it like it is, not as it is on FUX. Here in "the greatest country" you either sink or swim. And if you're really "smart" you get others to do the swiming for you so you can afford to visit your four or five houses in various chi-chi locals. Prosperity is beautiful until it becomes greed, then it's just a pile of crap.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
Why not call the highest standards of living on earth, clean, sustainable and health based?
That's where we are heading, though many are pretty pissed about it. What we see going on right now in America is a transformation. There's no denying it. Sustainability is not just a slogan. The squakers are like a ball and chain, being dragged into the next century. In the wild they would wither and die over time, but ironically, the very thing they fight will save them in the end. They will never acknowledge it as they will be off on some other boogeyman, however.
__________________ "...let us not ignore the truth among ourselves, that we are the aggressors and they defend themselves. The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down."
David Ben-Gurion (the father of Israel) "When fascism comes to America it will be draped in a flag and holding a cross." Sinclair Lewis I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.
.............And I thought that was a glob of hair gel.............YUCK!
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
That's where we are heading, though many are pretty pissed about it. What we see going on right now in America is a transformation. There's no denying it. Sustainability is not just a slogan. The squakers are like a ball and chain, being dragged into the next century. In the wild they would wither and die over time, but ironically, the very thing they fight will save them in the end. They will never acknowledge it as they will be off on some other boogeyman, however.
It's a curious situation because violent chimp-like behaviour displayed in a human being is an abomination nowadays(we thunk anyho) ,but the same-said actions were life giving to wider, dumber hominids of a stone age passed... eeek our ancestors... I am quite certain cockflea's grandfather has a tail.
Nay, but seriously brethren, those deniers of evolution NOT being devoled out, well, Gawd does have a sense of humour.
What sucks is the dominant, church lead role that right wingism played against human freedom and nature... for two solid millennium... This is a human tragedy. The leftover 'shit for brains' types from this oppressive nightmare are the idiots who want to war monger and be 'conquering liberators' and to force asunder and lay waste to what we ALL need... a habitat. They'll even drink to it.
They laugh and joke at those who say the earth is round and the universe doesnt revolve around us. Try to tell one of them that that the earth is round and it can heat up too much if we're not careful.
Of course they is gonna tell the kiddies stories of boogiemen and scary ghosts, how else do you get little saluting goldfish to attack the mean, old piranha? Ah yes, spy for freedom and torture for truth. Buy your faith and sell your stock. Deny deny deny. Idiots idiots idiots. If they haven't wiped their loathsome, spotty behinds with their country's constitution it's because they already used their holy books to do it. That is the hippocritical oath that all these imperial oafs seem to live by. Crap on the law.
Too bad they dont get segregated into their own results page. Yeah! They could then languish in their lavish fallacies and failed fantasies...and then inherit the direct results of their failures instead of slinking back to cracks an crevices that an overpopulated world offers. They are not unwashed, no, they are awash in contradiction and confusion, masked by false bravado and cynicism.
Maybe, with this segregation, we could stop trading healthy surpluses for catastrophic failures...
gag, I'd rather "have a grandfather with a tail" than a grandmother with a DICK! (like yours.....)
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
Enlighten us please, where was slick willie when GWB was serving in the Air National Guard? (or al bore................)
-cockflea-
So, by your logic, you can excuse Bush for being a drunk ass draft dodger but John Kerry's heroic, dangerous and decorated career is shit because Clinton didnt serve?
yay cockflea!
While we're on the subject gag, how 'bout YOU post a copy of YOUR DD-214..................
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
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ROCKYMT
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
I guess we can take that as a "pass"? How 'bout scanning in a campfire girls ID card, I'm tryin' ta help ya here son...........
-Rocky-
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Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."
That's a comfy circle jerk you speedzilla lefties have going here.
Think I'll take a step or two back...
Careful, Nero, you may just step in the left-overs of that big, hate-filled Reich-wing circle jerk the wing-nuttier side of Dronesville was indulging in, and Independents tend to get bogged down in the Right old mess, unless they can rise above their Pavlovian programming and see clearly.
Something about "forest", " trees" and "can't see shit" rings a bell here.
Clong, clong.
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While we're on the subject gag, how 'bout YOU post a copy of YOUR DD-214..................
Semper Fi!
-Rocky-
You're a disgrace to the Marines motto and everything they fought for, Rocky, but you'd make a good Stormtrooper. They liked people who had swallowed without blinking the mindless sneering dogma of the right-wing and happy-clapped for wars fought for the elites, while disparaging anyone who didn't fit into their leaders "Stürm und drang" vision of a white-wing world based along rigid ideological lines.
Legions of drone slave soldiers to the Machine salute you, Rocky. But the REAL warriors for Freedom don't.
"Semper ubi sub ubi"
__________________ ...Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water......
Not a very realistic, common or sustainable hospital/medical situation there but ask anyone, from Soldier to Shiite, who has received that first class care and they will all tell you that it was "world class"... Why stop at having that care just for soldiers or just for wealthy nations? Why have such "anomalies"? Why not call the highest standards of living on earth, clean, sustainable and health based?
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