Here are a couple of my photos from Thunderhill Raceway in Willows, California. This is actually my 4th trackday. Any feedback on my form as to what I can improve?
get that head out man!!! you're looking dead at the camera instead of through the corner.
Any suggestions on how I acheive this more? I am looking through the corner as you can see my eyes and my nose in pointed to my shoulder, but maybe I need to get my upper body turned out more and get that shoulder back some.
imagine pulling your shoulders over with your head... as you sit your shoulders are out nicely but you aren't getting the head out as well... if you pull your shoulders out with your head you'll find yourself in a better position
There is far too much emphasis on body position, and many, many people will spout off about body position simply so they can pretend like they know what the hell they are talking about. Body position is over-rated, especially when looking at still (snap-shot) pictures.
Case-in-point: Look at just about ANY snap-shot picture of Mick Doohan, Troy Bayliss, Tony Elias, Colin Edwards, or Miguel Duhamel. Their body position, as some would have you believe, is terrible. But their results speak for themselves.
The only real thing that will allow you to go faster is more seat time. When it comes to asking for and getting advice from someone concerning body position; don't take it from anyone unless that person's name has (at least club level) the word Champion attached to it. My $.02
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There is far too much emphasis on body position, and many, many people will spout off about body position simply so they can pretend like they know what the hell they are talking about. Body position is over-rated, especially when looking at still (snap-shot) pictures.
Case-in-point: Look at just about ANY snap-shot picture of Mick Doohan, Troy Bayliss, Tony Elias, Colin Edwards, or Miguel Duhamel. Their body position, as some would have you believe, is terrible. But their results speak for themselves.
The only real thing that will allow you to go faster is more seat time. When it comes to asking for and getting advice from someone concerning body position; don't take it from anyone unless that person's name has (at least club level) the word Champion attached to it. My $.02
fair enough, but it's still the fundamentals is it not? you can compare it to a golf swing... arnold palmer, jack nicklaus, lee trevino etc had AWFUL swings, but were the best of the best. when you go to a teacher he teaches the fundamentals, and body position IS one of them. if you're amazing with your own style then sure, but when you're first getting into a sport, denying the fundamentals is ignorant.
Kurt, what the hell is the guy standing right next to the track for completely unprotected? I see he is a flag guy, but damn it doesn't look safe.
Kurt, you can go faster.
I will next year, I PROMISE!!!!
in the corner workers defense, this was at a VERRRYYY short (1.5 mile) riding school where they typically train cops and truck drivers!
Anywhere between 12-17 turns, just 15 miles away from my house, $100 for 8 hours of riding compared to 3.2 miles at B.I.R for $300? B.I.R. is great and a ton of fun but the choice is simple and very easy!
There is far too much emphasis on body position, and many, many people will spout off about body position simply so they can pretend like they know what the hell they are talking about. Body position is over-rated, especially when looking at still (snap-shot) pictures.
Case-in-point: Look at just about ANY snap-shot picture of Mick Doohan, Troy Bayliss, Tony Elias, Colin Edwards, or Miguel Duhamel. Their body position, as some would have you believe, is terrible. But their results speak for themselves.
The only real thing that will allow you to go faster is more seat time. When it comes to asking for and getting advice from someone concerning body position; don't take it from anyone unless that person's name has (at least club level) the word Champion attached to it. My $.02
Thank you for your thoughts. I am sure I can improve as this was only my second track day, but you are probably right as far as who I should get my advice from.
fair enough, but it's still the fundamentals is it not? you can compare it to a golf swing... arnold palmer, jack nicklaus, lee trevino etc had AWFUL swings, but were the best of the best. when you go to a teacher he teaches the fundamentals, and body position IS one of them. if you're amazing with your own style then sure, but when you're first getting into a sport, denying the fundamentals is ignorant.
No, I think you may have missed my point just a little bit. Body position is definately a basic fundamental or riding, but my point was not to get all twisted up over it upon becoming a fledgling track rider. To go a little further, I have seen far too many peeps at the track hanging off their bikes like an orangotang (sp?) as they are trying to emulate their racing heros. Nothing wrong with that, until some 70yoa dude on an acient Vincent passes you on the outside, cuz the NewB parks it in the corners because all of his other fundamentals such as smoooooooth throttle/brake transitions completely suck!
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No, I think you may have missed my point just a little bit. Body position is definately a basic fundamental or riding, but my point was not to get all twisted up over it upon becoming a fledgling track rider. To go a little further, I have seen far too many peeps at the track hanging off their bikes like an orangotang (sp?) as they are trying to emulate their racing heros. Nothing wrong with that, until some 70yoa dude on an acient Vincent passes you on the outside, cuz the NewB parks it in the corners because all of his other fundamentals such as smoooooooth throttle/brake transitions completely suck!
JC is correct! Unfortunately a few sessions later I lowsided in T1 . I don't think the Duc passed me though
Well that's all that matters, doesn't it. I always loved chasing down and passing Ducati's no matter what. For some reason, the rest of the track day I could be slow or not having fun, but as long as passed or outbraked one Ducati it made me happy the rest of the day.