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Old 01-20-2006, 09:41 PM
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Hey Robert,

I have taken a number of pictures of my suspension and they are in this post for visual reasons. I picked up a caliper for measuring the suspension adjustments, and this caliper is in some of the photos. Each photo has a question attached to it, so hopefully my questions will make sense and so will your answers. I have not made any adjustments to my bike yet, nor have I changed anything that DK did to my Forks or Shock, so keep that in mind when you see the photos. Thanks.

Here is the picture of the "Fork Tube" being measured by the caliper from the top of the triple-clamp to the top of the fork tube (not including the blue fork nut in the measurement". The number you gave me (7mm) should be measured here, correct? Currently it is reading 11mm.


Here are two pictures of the rear Ohlins shock. Which threads are you talking about adjusting? You gave me a measurement of "5 threads showing".


Here is a picture of the top of my forks, including the DK Preload adjusters. No matter how hard I try to turn these things, I can't get them to turn at all. They seem to be gold paperweights to me. Are they not installed correctly?
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Also, Here are a few pis of my chain installation DID 520-ERV3 15/41 AFAM. Does it look like I crimped the heads of the master link correctly to you?


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I'm obviously not Robert...but I will comment until he does.


In photo 1 if you are measuring the amount of fork tube above the triple clamp...you are correct.

In photo 2 if you are trying to adjust the ride height...you want the 5 threads showing at the bottom of the shock.

In photo 3 Initially the preload adjustments can be very tight on forks recently rebuilt... take the Kyle adjusters off and turn them with a socket counting the clicks as you slowly turn them. Over a period of time they will loosen up somewhat so you can possibly turn them with the adjusters on.

In photo 4 the master link rivets look to be properly compressed.
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Thanks Tom

Tanner you are ok with what tom said, one little point to store away is that when putting on a Master link measure the over-all thickness of the link in front of it and then peen the pins until the master is the same thickness.
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Tanner you are ok with what tom said, one little point to store away is that when putting on a Master link measure the over-all thickness of the link in front of it and then peen the pins until the master is the same thickness.
Now I get to figure out how to set my sag. I have a feeling this is impossible without having 1-2 buddies there to help you. But now I have the mighty caliper, so anything is possible.
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In my personal opinion, you've gone a bit too low with the clamps on the front forks. With the ride height being raised by the rear end already, pushing the clamps down that far is overkill. I had them down to the first guideline on the forks (you can see it in your picture) with a stock rear shock and it made a substantial difference.
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In my personal opinion, you've gone a bit too low with the clamps on the front forks. With the ride height being raised by the rear end already, pushing the clamps down that far is overkill. I had them down to the first guideline on the forks (you can see it in your picture) with a stock rear shock and it made a substantial difference.
That may be true for your situation, however I have had my forks completely rebuilt with Ohlins internals, and a brand new rear shock, and DK link. All of which were built ith the intention of raising the rear ride height. Robert has been working with me, as has DK, and I trust there ideas and suggestions for someone my size. Thanks for your input, but I need to stick with what Robert and DK says.
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The Honda manual specifies a rivet head size for DID and another brand (I forget which) chain. If you do not have one PM me and I will go look it up.
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How big are you?
Dude check out his photo. The RC looks like a pocket bike!
J/K man. I can't wait to get the Ohlins rear for my sled.
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Dude check out his photo. The RC looks like a pocket bike!
J/K man. I can't wait to get the Ohlins rear for my sled.
I look similar, I'm 6'4". I don't think I weigh as much though, I'm a lanky monkey I've been compared to Xaus on the WSBK 998 many times
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Big. 6'3" 265lbs

Last night I set the forks at the correct mm, and I set the rear shock to the correct amount of threads showing. What is considered the actual thread of something, I assume it is the outside part of the thread not the inside part of the thread, right?
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I look similar, I'm 6'4". I don't think I weigh as much though, I'm a lanky monkey I've been compared to Xaus on the WSBK 998 many times
Me to. A couple of the guys at the track always says "here comes Xaus"
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Tanner,

Do yourself a favor, (if you haven't already) and invest in a steering damper. Your changing suspension parts and altering geometery. The RC51 is a stable bike, but headshake can happen to a Schwinn if the circunstances are right. After all this coin that you've put in your bike, I'd hate, (and I'm sure you would too) to see anything bad happen to it..............
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Here are two pictures of the rear Ohlins shock. Which threads are you talking about adjusting? You gave me a measurement of "5 threads showing".
Curious, are you going 5 threads with or without a DK/Mori Link?
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Tanner,

Do yourself a favor, (if you haven't already) and invest in a steering damper. Your changing suspension parts and altering geometery. The RC51 is a stable bike, but headshake can happen to a Schwinn if the circunstances are right. After all this coin that you've put in your bike, I'd hate, (and I'm sure you would too) to see anything bad happen to it..............
Trust me, I am going to get a Scotts shortly.

Robert, is there any chance that you can send me some slightly more conservative geometry numbers via p.m. I am not an overly aggresive rider, and I am starting to think that the numbers you gave me are probably great to use, but I am thinking maybe I should start with a less aggresive approach. What do you think?
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Curious, are you going 5 threads with or without a DK/Mori Link?
5 threads with a DK link as shown in the pictures!
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Tanner,

If you need some help with setting the sag. I will come out and help you lift/lump or just be a tool monkey.

Let me know.

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