848/999 front fork conversion

[hitmanhartman]

Willl the showa forks from a 848 with radial mount fit my 999??
(2005 Standard)
Will I have to buy tripples??
Will I have to buy front wheel?? (i have been told they are the same???)
Will I have to buy 848 rotors??

Looking for cheaper better way for brakes and suspension

[BC999S]

From what I can see between mine...

1. Yup
2. Nope
3. Nope
4. Nope

But I've been wrong before. Get out the vernier calipers and start measuring.

But first, why not just buy a set of Ohlins and some radial calipers? Around $4k and you've got a sweet setup.

[kaos]

can't see the base showas on the 848 as an upgrade.better off getting your stock forks reworked as they are good pieces to begin with.

[hitmanhartman]

I would hope in 4 years they make a better fork??
$4k in a set of forks... Really. I barely have more than that in the entire bike. I dont have a american express to go to Ducati and say hay put what ever it needs on it. Im looking for a more efficent way to get a better fork which im sure you can get better internals for a 848 than a old 999 and radial mount brakes have to be better than what I have???????

[CrimsonCloak]

Other than the radial brakes you'd be just as well off with revalved 999 units as 848. At least the 1098 had DLC'd legs and monoblocs, maybe go that route if you wanna mess with it.

An RCS master cylinder and a couple hundred dollars of Ohlins cartridges would probably give better results for less effort though.

[BC999S]

Originally Posted by hitmanhartman

I would hope in 4 years they make a better fork??
$4k in a set of forks... Really. I barely have more than that in the entire bike. I dont have a american express to go to Ducati and say hay put what ever it needs on it. Im looking for a more efficent way to get a better fork which im sure you can get better internals for a 848 than a old 999 and radial mount brakes have to be better than what I have???????

You're welcome.

[hitmanhartman]

Originally Posted by CrimsonCloak

Other than the radial brakes you'd be just as well off with revalved 999 units as 848. At least the 1098 had DLC'd legs and monoblocs, maybe go that route if you wanna mess with it.

An RCS master cylinder and a couple hundred dollars of Ohlins cartridges would probably give better results for less effort though.

Who sells the RCS master cylinder? Thanks for your input.
The only reason I said the 848's were I can buy a set cheap.
Thanks again.

[hitmanhartman]

Originally Posted by BC999S

You're welcome.

Im not one of those Ducati riders that just rides his bike to the dealer than to the pub and goes look at all that money that I wasted. I ride my Ducati they way it was suppose to be. Buy a Harley if thats all you do.

[BC999S]

Originally Posted by hitmanhartman

Im not one of those Ducati riders that just rides his bike to the dealer than to the pub and goes look at all that money that I wasted. I ride my Ducati they way it was suppose to be. Buy a Harley if thats all you do.

Wow, the new guy comes out with an attitude.

So, please tell us, how is a Ducati supposed to be ridden? Having owned a few I'm still not sure.

[Connader]

Sorry guys, but I don't understand why you guys act like this idea is "monster-stupid"???

He wants to swap to monoblocs the cheapest way, 848 forks is it!! Technically this fork is not better than a 999 but therefore it's cheap and on a good day you would almost swap it 1:1!! So doesn't matter if he reworks the 999 or 848 fork!!

The monoblocs you get for ~500,-$ used, get about 200,-$ fort the lates P4 if he sells his...300,- bucks for that trade, you don't get a RCS for that!! And even if: monoblocs are definitely hotter, even stock, with stock pump, pads, etc.


BTW: I don't understand all the "RCS" - hype: what's so special about it, to switch between 18-20 linkage?? Most people use the setup wich fits and won't change that anymore. So why not buy "old style" Brembo pumps with the linkage that fits?? (saves ~100,- at least!!)


My 2 cents!!

Greetz,

Dali!!

[Ben710]

That won´t be fancy enough Dali. You gotta have the bling bling on your bike. No matter if the technology is better or not.

[hitmanhartman]

Originally Posted by Connader

Sorry guys, but I don't understand why you guys act like this idea is "monster-stupid"???

He wants to swap to monoblocs the cheapest way, 848 forks is it!! Technically this fork is not better than a 999 but therefore it's cheap and on a good day you would almost swap it 1:1!! So doesn't matter if he reworks the 999 or 848 fork!!

The monoblocs you get for ~500,-$ used, get about 200,-$ fort the lates P4 if he sells his...300,- bucks for that trade, you don't get a RCS for that!! And even if: monoblocs are definitely hotter, even stock, with stock pump, pads, etc.


BTW: I don't understand all the "RCS" - hype: what's so special about it, to switch between 18-20 linkage?? Most people use the setup wich fits and won't change that anymore. So why not buy "old style" Brembo pumps with the linkage that fits?? (saves ~100,- at least!!)


My 2 cents!!

Greetz,

Dali!!

Now you got the idea. Someone thinking outside the box with me.
I have only owned a ducati this year but it seems like 90% of the people that own them ride them like Harleys. They have all the cool gear and then you see them only at the dealer on sat and at the pubs. Standing by them going look at my bike. You never see them at the track or on any of the good roads. Not trying to be a dick but its the truth.
Read the opening thread it is about better BRAKES AND BETTER FORKS. Nothing to do about bling. I do not have a single piece of chrome or anything that relates to bling. It is about building something unique and functional without spending alot of cash..... So when I do go to the dealerships they go oh look at that thats not stock hey that is different how did you do that? Some of you will get that and some of you will not. I would rather build something that works rather than pull out a credit card and say buy this or that. To each their own????

[CrimsonCloak]

I think that is why the fellas were trying to tell you that those forks and brakes wouldn't make much difference for all the effort.

Really the four pads are very good. I suggested the RCS because it is much easier to use on a street bike with the included brake switch. If it's a track bike, the standard Brembo forged radial would be fine. And would also make a bigger difference for less money and effort than 848 forks and brakes.

[hitmanhartman]

Originally Posted by CrimsonCloak

I think that is why the fellas were trying to tell you that those forks and brakes wouldn't make much difference for all the effort.

Really the four pads are very good. I suggested the RCS because it is much easier to use on a street bike with the included brake switch. If it's a track bike, the standard Brembo forged radial would be fine. And would also make a bigger difference for less money and effort than 848 forks and brakes.

The reason Im looking at doing it cause I need new calipers. There seems to be more 848 forks and calipers available than for a 999. I figured that the 848 forks have to be somewhat better with the radial mount brakes.(stock vs stock) I can buy forks and radials for under $500.
It was just a thought.
I do 6-10 trackdays a year and ride 8-10k miles a year on this bike.
thanks for your input

[Ben710]

If you can get the calipers, brake lines (don´t forget these! Could/should be different) and the forks for 500 bucks I´d buy them if I were you. The radials are really good, but not that much better than the axial p34/34 in my opinion.

Everyone says the 1098 stock brake is so killer and rarara, but in the end, the older p34/34 is less aggressive, hence easier to handle. If you touch the 1098 radials in a corner leaned over, not paying a lot of attention, it´s more likely to result in a lowside than with the older calipers.

In the end, if you can get them cheap, I´d say go buy them. The 848 forks can be pretty good. Don´t listen to all the guys saying the stock stuff is junk. There are so many knobs and screws to turn. If all stock adjustments fail, get it reworked. That should take a few weekends on the track or twisty roads though. I think most of the people just go and get this and that "öhlinsed" without hacing a real problem, which they would not be able to fix by turning the knobs...

[CrimsonCloak]

I agree on the bite being difficult to modulate, but with 320mm rotors it isn't so bad. The rest you can tune out with pads, but there again you are spending money.

[hitmanhartman]

Cool thanks guys for understanding my point!!!
I just found a new set of calipers for my stock 999 forks for $200. Im going to buy them and do a set of HH pads and see how that goes. Still might do the 848 forks an brake for a winter project. The showas will work great if they are set up right or if I have to have them torn down and rebuilt. They are still much cheaper than a set of Ohlins.

Thanks again

[Ben710]

I´d say buy and try, then decide if a rebuild is necessary. There´s so much variation in quality with mass produced forks, it´s almost impossible to say whether item x is better than item y I suppose.

[CrimsonCloak]

I've seen stock carts with no shims installed...so it pays to check it out. Hell having the right fork springs is a bigger improvement for $100 than any kind of nitride coating.

[hitmanhartman]

I hear ya. Im gonna have the stock ones revalved and maybe mess with fork springs??? Earls here in Indy will do rear shocks for under $200. i can have ISBK do the forks for around $200 or less. Just thoughts trying to get the best set-up on a budget.


This is why I joined this forum for true help not smartass replies.
Thanks Crimson Cloak and Ben 710 for helping out.