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Old 04-27-2009, 09:01 PM
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Even after my horrible experience last year with The Duc Pond in VA I wasn't going to badmouth them because they at least attempted to make things right. But after finding several more items this past week that point to carelessness on their part I simply have to speak up before someone else makes the mistake of leaving a bike in their hands.

I dropped my Ducati off at Duc Pond Motorsports in Winchester, VA (DucPond Motorsports) for service last fall and spoke with Donnie the proprietor who seemed very knowledgable about Ducati's. I took it in for a valve adjustment, it needed the forks rebuilt and a new pair of tires. I was quoted $250 for the valve adjustment and another $250 for the forks and then whatever tires I wanted, which I got the Metzler Sportec M3's, about $350 for the set. While the forks were apart I also okay'd putting RaceTech springs in them.

They had it for 2 weeks then called me and said they found some other stuff wrong, the steering head bearings were shot and it had an oil leak around the clutch. I told them I had just replaced the clutch pushrod O-rings and the oil they were seeing was probably just leftover residue but they assured me that it was still leaking from another seal. I asked how much it would be and they told me as they had replaced the belts and it needed 6 shims I was already at $1200 with the work they'd done so far, and to do the bearings and replace the seal would be another $400. I okay'd the additional work.

Another 2 weeks and no phone call so I call them and they say oh yeah it's been done for a week. So I schedule to go pick it up and when I get down there it won't start. They claim they don't understand, it always started right up for them. They start taking things apart trying to figure out what's wrong, try adjusting some things, finally Donnie comes out and says he's gonna put a new starter sprag on it. I have no idea what that is but I figured as long as it wasn't a whole new starter it shouldn't be that much right? No mention of price is made nor am I asked to okay the additional work.

Like 4 hours later they finally say it's done and oh by the way that'll be another $350. So my total is just shy of $2000, I was pissed. But I'm like okay whatever, at least it's done and it's fixed right. So I start driving back home, by this time it's 4:30 and getting dark and cold (this is Nov) and the whole way home the bike is surging and when I stop it's idling up at like 3000 rpm. When I get home the oil cooler is hanging down to the ground, the bolts that held it in place are gone. I also found it's leaking oil because they didn't tighten the side cover bolts and one was missing completely. I also found some rubber piece lying on top of the motor and I can't figure out where it's supposed to go. I think maybe it's a boot for the choke slide?

I called up Donnie and complained to him and long story short he sent me replacement bolts for the oil cooler and a gift certificate for $150. He wouldn't refund any money, although he offered to "make it right" but I'm not about to have it go back down there again and be charged even more money. I said I already spent too much and I can't afford to sink any more money into this bike.

So I had to replace 3 bolts that were lost, tighten a whole bunch more that they left loose, add oil, take apart the choke lever because they didn't get it back together right when they reassembled the forks (was causing the high idle/surging) lube it and fix it because now it's cracked, replace 2 screws that they stripped out and basically give the whole thing a good cleaning because there was dirty/greasy fingerprints and oil over everything.

Now that we've had some warmer weather and I got to take the bike out for a full length ride I found some additional things to complain about.

I had to fiddle with the idle adjustment because it was still running up around 2500rpm once warmed up. It took 2 or 3 turns out to bring it down to where it should be. They had messed with it trying to get the idle right from when they had the choke all bitched up.

My speedometer quit working and I discovered that when they reassembled the front axle they must have let the sending unit twist around and put a crimp right at the end of the cable and broke the fitting. They also had the fitting cross-threaded at the back of the gauge, so it was only on by a thread or two and at a angle. It cost me $25 to replace it with a good used cable. (thanks to Mike at Gotham for the cable)

While I was down there swapping that out I noticed different bolts holding the fender on, they were loose and the fender was about to fall off. Removed those to discover they had hogged out the bolt holes and used the different bolts in order to fit the 120/70 tire under the stock fender, which they claimed would handle better than the stock 120/60. I've noticed no appreciable difference in the handling with the taller profile tire, and now I have a fender that doesn't fit right. The fact that the 120/70 would cause fitment issues was never mentioned to me, nor their modification of the fender.

My front brake lever switch that activates the brake light quit working. The wiring doesn't appear damaged in any way however it's awful coincidental that a switch that worked for 14 years quit working after they had the forks out. Cost me $20 to replace it with a used switch off eBay.

The level of carelessness and half-assed service that I received from The Duc Pond continues to infuriate me. Nearly every bolt that they touched that I have checked has been loose or has fallen out. What really scares me is if the same shoddy workmanship went into the rebuilding of the forks or the valve adjustment. I can only imagine I have not yet seen the end of the problems as a result of leaving the bike in their hands.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:48 PM
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Sorry to hear that. I have had nothing but good service from DucPond.
Have you tried calling Donnie to discuss this? What was his response?
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:33 PM
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Yes I spoke with him last year when I first brought the bike home in November. I told him I wasn't happy about spending $2k and having all these issues. He offered to make it right, which I appreciated. Once I figured out the choke was stuck and causing the surging and I fixed that, I wasn't going to take the bike back (over an hour ride) to have him tighten/replace some bolts. At the time that's all I found that was wrong.

The bike has sat all winter and now that I've had the chance to get it back out on the road this spring I found the other stuff. Obviously it's a bit late to go back 6 months later and try to claim this when the matter was settled last year. But now it's cost me more money out of my pocket to fix his tech's mistakes, and that I simply cannot overlook. Not to mention the overall carelessness it takes to leave important fasteners loose so that bits begin to fall off the bike.

At this point I don't care if he offered to fix everything for free because I will not allow those people to touch my bike again, how can I trust them to do the job right? For all I know they could have been the ones to cause the problem with the starter. They admitted to me that it had not given them any problems starting until after they had it apart.

I realize that it's a 14 year old bike and there will be maintenance issues that come up, but like I said before, it's awful coincidental that everything worked fine when it went down there. Normally I would not suspect anyone or try to point fingers if I know the work is being performed by competent people but obviously that is not the case here. I can only pray that whoever did the fork rebuild and the valve adjustment was not the same person who did the reassembly.

All I can say is if you take your bike to Duc Pond for service, be prepared to pay a lot of money for shoddy work. And I suggest going over your bike with a fine tooth comb when you get it back.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
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He offered to "Make it right" and you refused to allow him to do so.


Every business makes mistakes, it's how a business reacts to it's mistakes that makes a business good or bad.

You should have allowed him to "Make it right".
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:22 PM
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I can certainly understand your frustration, but as Pat points out it seems like DucPond did exactly what you would want a business to do to make things right.
Just so I am clear:

You take a 14 year old bike in for service.
They find things wrong with it.
They screwed up putting it all back together.
The business owner immediately offers to make it right at no charge.
Six months later, having let the bike sit without being ridden, you find that there are more issues with your bike.

Does that sound like an accurate assessment?


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Yes I spoke with him last year when I first brought the bike home in November. I told him I wasn't happy about spending $2k and having all these issues. He offered to make it right, which I appreciated. Once I figured out the choke was stuck and causing the surging and I fixed that, I wasn't going to take the bike back (over an hour ride) to have him tighten/replace some bolts. At the time that's all I found that was wrong.

The bike has sat all winter and now that I've had the chance to get it back out on the road this spring I found the other stuff. Obviously it's a bit late to go back 6 months later and try to claim this when the matter was settled last year. But now it's cost me more money out of my pocket to fix his tech's mistakes, and that I simply cannot overlook. Not to mention the overall carelessness it takes to leave important fasteners loose so that bits begin to fall off the bike.

At this point I don't care if he offered to fix everything for free because I will not allow those people to touch my bike again, how can I trust them to do the job right? For all I know they could have been the ones to cause the problem with the starter. They admitted to me that it had not given them any problems starting until after they had it apart.

I realize that it's a 14 year old bike and there will be maintenance issues that come up, but like I said before, it's awful coincidental that everything worked fine when it went down there. Normally I would not suspect anyone or try to point fingers if I know the work is being performed by competent people but obviously that is not the case here. I can only pray that whoever did the fork rebuild and the valve adjustment was not the same person who did the reassembly.

All I can say is if you take your bike to Duc Pond for service, be prepared to pay a lot of money for shoddy work. And I suggest going over your bike with a fine tooth comb when you get it back.
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Old 04-28-2009, 05:45 PM
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I have no problem with Donnie, he seems like a nice guy. And as I said, he "made it right" in Nov by replacing the bolts that were lost and he sent me a gift certificate, which I have not used. I was willing to accept that these problems were isolated issues. We both agreed the matter was settled. I wish then however that I had gone over the bike more thoroughly.

Could I call him up now and ask that he fix everything else I've discovered? Yes I suppose I could, and who knows maybe he would make the same offer again. But are you honestly telling me that after the hassle I've been through, after all the mistakes that were discovered, after the "fixes" that were done that I was charged for, you would give them another chance? Sorry but no thanks.

I bought the bike new in 95 so I know its entire service history. Yes I realize things go bad. Bearings and seals are wear items. And I can accept paying $90/hr for work that is done right. But I can't accept paying that amount of money for sloppy work.
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Old 04-28-2009, 06:35 PM
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Here's my take on it

I take a 12k mile, 14 year old bike with a perfect service record in for regular, recommended maintenance... valve adj, tires and a fork rebuild.
They find it needs bearings and seals, I okay the additional work.
I show up to pick up the completed bike, it won't start.
I wait 4 hours while they have the bike in the shop, trying to get it to start.
I'm charged an extra $350 (without my prior okay) to make the bike start.
I ride it home, it's surging, leaks oil and the oil cooler falls off.
I call the owner, who offers to make it right at no charge.
After examining the bike myself I correct the surging and discover 3 missing bolts and a number of loose ones.
Rather than waste my time and the shop's time by dragging my bike back down there, I'm willing to settle for having replacement bolts sent to me. The owner agrees and offers a gift certificate for my trouble.

Six months later, having let the bike sit without being ridden, I find more issues.
I have to adjust the idle screw (which they had messed with) to get it to idle correctly.
The speedo cable was incorrectly reinstalled, requiring replacement.
The front fender was poorly modified (without my knowledge) to fit a non-OEM tire size that they recommended.
The front fender bolts had been replaced with non-OEM and were loose to the point of falling out.
The front brake switch no longer works.

Rather than renew this issue with the owner again, I am resigned to the fact that
1) I'm probably beyond the "statute of limitations" with regards to these problems, given the time since the original work was done
2) It is cheaper for me to correct the problems myself (so far) than to take the bike back
3) The likelihood exists that were I to take the bike back I would not be happy with the work performed

My intent with this thread is not to attempt to recover my losses or slander the owner, but to warn others who may be considering having work done there.
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I completely agree with you in the fact that I would not want to take it back there for them to "make it right." I recently took my car back to the dealership I bought it from to get a door lock repaired. I got the car back with cracked door panel tabs, scratches and loose bolts and nuts. In their defense, the dealership offered to take the car back and fix it--At around $100/hour I think it's reasonable to expect them to "get it right" the first time......I wasn't about to let them screw something else up, so I fixed everything myself.......
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Ducati and motorcycle mechanics in general. This is why I do all my own work if possible. Used some big and I mean big names in Ducati world and have been very disappointed. Ripped off actually. Shoddy workmanship, over charged and lied to.
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I will be taking the bike to Koup's Cycle (Koup's Cycle Shop Harrisburg's Kawasaki, Suzuki and Ducati Dealer) in Harrisburg for all future maintenance. They are the next-closest Ducati dealership to me and have performed the valve adjustments, carb jetting and other services on my bike in the past, which I have been completely satisfied with.

I didn't take the bike back to Koup's this time was because they are primarily Kawasaki/Suzuki, and admitedly don't do much Ducati performance tuning. I had never been to Duc Pond previously, but I thought that a Ducati-only shop (especially one run by an ex-Ducati racer) would be more familiar with the forks and what offers the best setup.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:20 AM
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Ducati and motorcycle mechanics in general. This is why I do all my own work if possible. Used some big and I mean big names in Ducati world and have been very disappointed. Ripped off actually. Shoddy workmanship, over charged and lied to.
Absolutely. There is actually only one guy I trust locally to fix Ducati's besides friends of mine and myself. He runs a private little shop in the back-ass of Sun Valley California and doesn't even advertise he's been a Ducati service mechanic for 5 years. Needless to say, his work is top-notch.

Point of the story... dealerships have to get you in and out very quickly. They have a back-log of bikes waiting for parts, etc. Dealers can't spend the quality time with with the bike to do it right. Every dealer mechanic I've dealt with has been over-worked, under paid and not very patient.

IDK if going to yet ANOTHER dealer, would be of any use to you. In fact, one thats not specifically Ducati orientated might be even WORSE!

My suggestion is simple; Do some research and find someone who isn't a dealer, just a private shop who knows how to fix Ducati's. In most cases they'll take the extra time needed to get it done right. May not be quick, but every screw will be returned to its proper place!

Sorry Duc Pond messed up your bike, they're great guys, its sad you won't go back. Good luck in the future!
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