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Old 05-27-2005, 04:17 PM
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Default Danica Patrick

Ahh the perfect woman...Think she has a chance?
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Old 05-27-2005, 09:06 PM
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Default Re: Danica Patrick (drthompson65)

with me she does.
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Old 05-29-2005, 09:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Eddie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">with me she does.
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I just realized that I was for the first time checking out a driver's butt as the driver got out of the car.

Seriously, the hype and the media crap got a little outta control (lord knows the IRL needed it), but she did do a pretty good job. OK, so she stalled in the pits and she took several cars out of the race when she spun under yellow, but she maintained composure and she finished well.
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Old 05-29-2005, 09:36 PM
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Default Re: Danica Patrick (Baasinator)

Boy, if I wasn't already engaged...

(I love you, Jess!)

That was a fantastic race! Yeah, she made some rookie mistakes - who doesn't - but she made the best of it, and did a great job. She absolutely deserves to be where she is.

Sure, they hyped the shit out of it, but can you blame them? It IS a big story, maybe one of the biggest ever at Indy. Who wants to bet against her winning the damn thing next year? Anyone?

And hey, congrats to Michael Andretti for finally being involved with a winning car at Indy!
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Old 05-30-2005, 12:56 AM
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Scott, I'm ok that she is on your list! Hell, she almost makes it on to my list!
I have never been an Indy fan. I am now! I can't wait to see her kick some ass next year! Go Danica!!
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Old 05-30-2005, 10:08 PM
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Default Re: Danica Patrick (drthompson65)

If your really into open wheel female racers, look at Katherine Legge in the Toyota Atlantic series. She pulled off a awesome win at Long beach. That girl drove the freakin wheels off that machine. She currently second in the series. Screw oval racing. Road racing takes more skill IMO.





The girl is bad ass. Here is some of her history. I love a woman that can drive like that.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">• Finished 10th in 2004 North American Formula Renault series, despite running only partial season schedule
• Competed in British Formula 3 Championship in 2003
• Won the pole position at Oulton Park in 2002 British Formula Renault Championship
• Captured the 2002 British Women Racing Drivers Club Susan JP Jamieson award for fastest lap speed, earning the title Fastest Female Racer in the UK
• Became first woman to win a pole position in British Formula Ford Zetec series in 2000</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old 05-31-2005, 12:01 AM
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Into female racers?! You Betcha! My dream girl is Xena the Warrior Princes. Something about a woman that can beat the sh*t out of you...

Got to hand to Danica.. 4th place and a lot of problems.. I still think they should take the weight bonus she has away. Like in F1 all cars should weigh the same..
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Old 05-31-2005, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: Danica Patrick (SP8)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SP8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If your really into open wheel female racers, look at Katherine Legge in the Toyota Atlantic series. She pulled off a awesome win at Long beach. That girl drove the freakin wheels off that machine. She currently second in the series. Screw oval racing. Road racing takes more skill IMO.
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She is really impressive. I'd never heard of her before Long Beach, but she seems like the real deal. That was her first Atlantic race ever, wasn't it? She's already done more than Danica did at that level. Danica never won in Barber or Atlantics.

But, Legge isn't as hot as Danica so she might have to earn her rides the old fashioned way. Hopefully she'll stay in the Champ Car system instead of getting bought up by an IRL team.

Speaking of the IRL, they have to be loving this publicity. That was the first Indy 500 that people really watched since the split, I think. They are definitely getting their mileage out of Danica, but it could all go very wrong for them if she gets hurt. Two drivers left the Speedway with broken backs yesterday and Buddy Rice got messed up good. If they break Danica's back, all that publicity will turn bad bad bad.

And that Foyt kid is out to get her... he's out to get them all!
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Old 05-31-2005, 06:29 AM
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Default Re: Danica Patrick (Baasinator)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Baasinator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hopefully she'll stay in the Champ Car system instead of getting bought up by an IRL team.

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That's a good plan. That way we can be absolutely sure nobody will ever hear of her.
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Old 05-31-2005, 03:35 PM
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Old 05-31-2005, 08:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AZ Scott &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's a good plan. That way we can be absolutely sure nobody will ever hear of her. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You're right. In fact, why bother with open wheel racing at all? Let's dumb her down and take her straight to NASCAR for the masses!

Race fans have already heard of Legge, and if Danica looked like Janet Reno she'd still be in Atlantics, she'd be finishing behind Legge, and you never would have heard of her.

The "woman driver" novelty only goes so far (Sarah Fisher, Shawna Robinson, Deborah Renshaw). The "hot chick" thing has already taken Danica and the IRL a little farther. But it's getting out of control! Yesterday an AP writer suggested Danica is the Tiger Woods of open wheel racing. What? At least Tiger actually wins occasionally!

Legge might be the real deal who can use her ability to race to the top. She doesn't need the IRL for that. Champ Car has a bigger fan base and is certainly more respected in the racing world.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:08 AM
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I think Legge wants F1 if possible. Champ car is a better pool of drivers IMO. Didn't Montoya go from Champ car to F1? Seeing she is from Europe, I doubt she has much intrest in oval racing.
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:45 AM
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It won't be long before the IRL does race on road courses. Their master plan to become CART is nearly complete. Once the "Champ Car" series takes the final plunge and stops coming up for air, the IRL will take over the handful of tracks that actually still hold Champ Car races, and that will be that.

10, 15, 20 years ago, I watched CART/Indycar racing as religiously as GP and Superbike. I wouldn't walk across the street to attend an IRL race. But Tony George - much to my disbelief - actually seems to know what he's doing. Granted, it's 180 degrees from what he said he wanted to do with the IRL, but nonetheless, it's working. Champ Car is a shell of its former self, and I can't even be bothered to watch it any more. There are only a very few teams/drivers left that I care about, and the only reason they haven't followed everyone else to the IRL is that they're the ones with the biggest grudges against George, and they're too stubborn to go after a good thing when they see it.

Face it, open-wheel racing in America will NEVER be what it should be as long as there are two series competing against each other. And clearly, Champ Car - or whatever they're calling it this week - can't find its ass with a searchlight. It's pretty obvious they are NOT the series that will prevail in the long run.

It's time to bite the bullet and get these two series together and get back to what was a pretty damn fine racing series years ago.

As for the Danica Patrick deal, well, fine... So she's good looking. So it helped her get her foot in the door. So what? Are you guys seriously trying to imply that it isn't completely normal in the world of racing for people to use their advantages to leapfrog the system in any way they can? Or did you actually think that everyone else that's risen to the top has gotten there on nothing more than sheer talent - until Patrick came along?
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AZ Scott &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you guys seriously trying to imply that it isn't completely normal in the world of racing for people to use their advantages to leapfrog the system in any way they can? Or did you actually think that everyone else that's risen to the top has gotten there on nothing more than sheer talent - until Patrick came along?
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Not at all. And I don't have anything against Danica. I've been following her for years and I hope she does win IRL races before she moves on to NASCAR. I'm just saying the hype is completely out of control.

The only people I've personally known to race in the top levels of NASCAR have done so because of deep pockets, not necessarily because of talent. And those people aren't the reason I'm a race fan. Incidentally, I'm currently working with a kid on the other end of the spectrum. He might have the talent to take him to the top, and it's quite interesting to watch his family try to put the business arrangements in place that will allow him to progress. Talent alone isn't enough; obviously you need a lot of luck and a lot of money.

But as a motorsports fan, I think we watch to see the true phenoms - the Montoya's, the Nicky Hayden's, the Rossi's, the Alonso's, the Bubba Stewart's. That's why I turn on the TV or travel to a race. And I'm saying that Legge is the first female I've seen that might be that kind of driver. She's already done more than Danica in a race car, and it'll be fun to watch what she does going forward.

NASCAR is different. They market the personalities as much or more than the racing itself, and the IRL has been trying to do this for years. It hasn't worked because nobody cares and nobody knows any of their drivers until now. If there were any real IRL fans out there, Dan Wheldon would be the real story this week. He's won four out of the first five races this season! Nobody has ever done that. (Who knew there were already five IRL races?)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AZ Scott &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It won't be long before the IRL does race on road courses. Their master plan to become CART is nearly complete. Once the "Champ Car" series takes the final plunge and stops coming up for air, the IRL will take over the handful of tracks that actually still hold Champ Car races, and that will be that.
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They already do race street courses. What? Nobody noticed? They raced St. Pete this year. After changing the track to get the speeds up near Champ Car speeds, and after giving away tens of thousands of tickets, it actually looked pretty good. I think they race at Infineon or Watkins Glen or both later this year.

By the way, the IRL master plan was not to become CART. It was just the opposite. And it failed.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AZ Scott &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">10, 15, 20 years ago, I watched CART/Indycar racing as religiously as GP and Superbike. I wouldn't walk across the street to attend an IRL race. But Tony George - much to my disbelief - actually seems to know what he's doing. Granted, it's 180 degrees from what he said he wanted to do with the IRL, but nonetheless, it's working. Champ Car is a shell of its former self, and I can't even be bothered to watch it any more. There are only a very few teams/drivers left that I care about, and the only reason they haven't followed everyone else to the IRL is that they're the ones with the biggest grudges against George, and they're too stubborn to go after a good thing when they see it.

Face it, open-wheel racing in America will NEVER be what it should be as long as there are two series competing against each other. And clearly, Champ Car - or whatever they're calling it this week - can't find its ass with a searchlight. It's pretty obvious they are NOT the series that will prevail in the long run.

It's time to bite the bullet and get these two series together and get back to what was a pretty damn fine racing series years ago.
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I couldn't agree more about the need for unification. Unfortunately, open wheel racing will never be what it was before the split. The best thing we can hope for is that each series continues to do it's own thing (Champ Cars focus on road/street races in international markets while IRL focuses on American ovals), but they agree on a common platform and meet to race against each other for six to ten events per year. It's possible with both sides currently working on their plans for 2007 and forward, and both sides are under real pressure to make something happen. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

But you're way wrong about Tony George. He is a dildo. He does not know what he's doing, and he never did. He did have a “vision”, and he told everyone in the world about it, and every bit of it failed. So his new “vision” is to undo the damage he's done and make the IRL what CART was before he destroyed it. You know, when it was more popular than NASCAR? He'll never be able to repair the damage he caused.

The IRL has all the advantages: the Indy 500, the best CART teams, the engine suppliers and the $100M+ they pump into the series every year, the ABC/ESPN contract, etc. But Champ Car, even after years of gross mis-management and terrible TV deals, still commands a much larger audience than the IRL. The people do not like the IRL. The Indy 500 has declined in attendance, viewership, and relevance every year since the split until Danica. The IRL still puts on races for less than 10K people at some locations, even including the free tickets and the pit crews! ABC has to find new camera angles that show the track without showing the completely empty stands! The only tracks where they do get decent attendance are the ISC tracks where ticket holders are forced to buy IRL tickets to keep their NASCAR seats.

With the exception of Danica Patrick, things are getting worse for the IRL. The new Champ Car owners have not yet lost a battle to Tony George. They are very successful businessmen - something that Tony George is not. Tony tried to buy CART when it was bankrupt, but he lost that battle to OWRS. Then he tried to shut down Champ Car by buying Cosworth and taking the Champ Car engines away, but he lost that battle to OWRS. Just last month he tried to kill Champ Car by buying their token event, the Long Beach GP. But guess what? Yup, he lost that battle to OWRS.

He is now on the verge of losing all three of his engine manufacturers within the next two years. While Champ Car has eliminated the money-losing races from their schedule and introduced new events that have been highly successful, things are not looking so bright for Tony and his IRL. Maybe Danica can change that, but they gotta keep her healthy. I hope they do.
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Old 06-02-2005, 09:29 PM
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You know Baas I agree. Indy car came about to bring the price DOWN to "reasonable" levels so the "Average" rich person could afford to go racing. This has completely failed! Indy car is as expensive as CART or any other form of racing. You only are as fast as your pocket books is deep.. Maybe that's why this year I'm actually going to leave my new Ducati stock.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:42 PM
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Liar........ You know you want to poor money into go fast goodies.
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Old 06-03-2005, 03:49 PM
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Ahh the dark side is strong my young paddawan learner.. I must resist!
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Old 06-04-2005, 03:18 AM
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This guy might go a little overboard, but it's a good read on the topic:

http://www.slate.com/id/2120160/
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Old 06-09-2005, 02:50 AM
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The front wing that Danica broke off during her yellow flag spin is on eBAy:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...50679

No telling what that'll go for. Imagine if she happens to win the Texas race on Sunday!
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Old 06-09-2005, 03:10 AM
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Damn, people are acting like she's a legend. When she starts winning races I'll respect all this hype. Until then, Legge has my attention. I'm all for women doing good in motorsports. It makes me feel like I'm in a better world. Legge actually produces the goods IMO.
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