Well on July 3rd I did my first trackday on the MV.
A couple of key points.
1: first time at Summit Point
2: first time on the track with the MV
3: had just under 200 miles seat time on the MV
With that said, I managed to have an okay time. It was about 85-90 degrees out and the tires were protesting Big time. It was hard to get confident on the bike because of all the movement coming from the front Pilot Power. I was scared to death to tip it in while on the brakes so my corner entry speeds were horrible the whole day.
The bike felt good power wise and it has a nice spread of power. Tire wear on the rear tire was consistent. The suspension that I once thought was too stiff felt right at home on the track.
The excess weight of the bike was noticeable on left to right transitions and it really felt like it was overworking the front end on corners that enphasized the front end.
I didn't bother to try and gather laptimes because I was well off of the pace. But what I did was pick out a couple of sections of the track that I was confortable with and push a bit here and there to analize the characteristics of the bike.
When the Pilot Powers got greasy I felt the front trying to push and tuck. I don't think this bike would be very confidence inspiring on worn tires. Some front end tweaking is needed.
THIS BIKE TELLS YOU EVERYTHING THE FRONT END IS DOING!!!!!! For some riders it's a good thing. But for me, "Ignorance is bliss". My 999 covers up my mistakes and fakes an orgasm. She makes me think I'm the best lover (er, rider) even though I'm really not. For example, if I chop the throttle on the duc (which is bad technique mind you) the Ohlins soaks it up and it's less abrupt. If I chop it on the MV, the bike feels like it's gonna tuck. This bike takes no Bull$hit!!! You better know what you are doing.
I've finally gotten used to the brakes on the MV. They aren't radial but they still provided adequate feel (probably due to the beefy forks) and the stopping distance was acceptable although a pair of EBC HH pads wouldn't hurt.
I think a set of Power Race tires in Medium Compound to better deal with the hot summer heat would be the move for this bike and it will be THAT much better. I rate this bike about an 9.0 total.
Braking 8
Power 10
flickability 9
stability at full lean 7
fun factor 8
quality 10
ergos for track 10
ergos for street 8
fuel economy 10
Can you compare the MV to something other than a Ducati? The Ducatis have sort of a freight train feel to the front where you feel like you can run it in really hard on the front and it won't go anywhere.
Get on a 600 after that and you'll be turning off the inside of the track. I think the MV is probably in that range as well.
I've ridden and raced a lot of bikes, and I still find it hard to believe that the word "tuck" is being used to describe the MV... But anything is possible I suppose.
Did you set sag and some baseline on damping?
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I just need to learn to trust the front end on this bike. It's all mental and just takes some getting used to I suppose.
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Originally Posted by acruhl
Hmm. You're using the word "tuck" again.
Can you compare the MV to something other than a Ducati? The Ducatis have sort of a freight train feel to the front where you feel like you can run it in really hard on the front and it won't go anywhere.
Get on a 600 after that and you'll be turning off the inside of the track. I think the MV is probably in that range as well.
I've ridden and raced a lot of bikes, and I still find it hard to believe that the word "tuck" is being used to describe the MV... But anything is possible I suppose.
I really love to ride mine. It's always in the back of my head that if I crash it there may be some parts that take a LONG time to get, not to mention they are pricey... So I don't go right up to race pace. But I definitely like it up until then.
Did you put rearsets on it? They make a big difference. My feet slip off the stock pegs really easy. I even have a picture of it which sucks. I'm using the Sato ones and I really like them, other than the fact they don't shift as well as stock. But nothing will, unfortunately, when the shift lever is right on the shift shaft like that. The solid feeling is well worth it though. That could help your confidence in the front.
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'01 996 (ASMA #17, rebuild complete, runs, needs more stuff as it goes with Ducatis)
'01 MV F4S
'02 998 www.asmaracing.com www.desmosouthwest.com
Damn, sorry you didn't have an orgasm as I did when I was at the track. After seeing some of your photos, I see that you and I are very different riders. You'll love the PPRace (med), hopefully that will make a positive change for you. Keep us posted on your next track endeavor. Congrats again on your purchase. I think when you get used to it, you'll have your elbow down in no time.
"and I still find it hard to believe that the word "tuck" is being used to describe the MV"
why is this so hard to belive, because it is expensive? it is entirely possible that is how is feels to Turbo. just because it is expensive does not mean it is set up properly to his style, or that the forks are "all" that
thanks for the write up Turbo sounds like you need some more time on it. i am glad you mentioned the weight i was wondering about that and i am going through the same feel thing on my new bike. i am glad i did not get the MV as the R1 is a fine bike and i think i would have been disappointed for my $1000 a month payment
keep posting on how the bike and you get along as it is nice to hear great feedback about such nice bikes without having to ride them yourself
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dood, i can have just about any bike or bikes i want and i chose not to get the MV. the payments were a factor in not getting it but i was approved and could have afforded if if i wanted it. i just think (I)would have been disappointed for my money and i am not the type to say i like something because it is expensive of i am supposed to like it. i respect the fact turbo had some good and bad to say about the bike as that is fair not bullshat. most with a MV even if they did not likie something would lie and act better than cause it is a MV and their pride would interfere with their objectivity. like for 20k they are going to say the brakes suck or the bike wants to tuck like some taboo deal, not cool IMO.
fact is the R1,ZX, Gixxer or my CBR would wail that MV for half the money. i was going to buy the MV for the looks and because it was different but for $20,000+ i wanted something more than different some don't and i respect that. i just did not think the MV price tag was warranted for my needs and i would have been let down after riding my R1 right after and wondering was the MV was not any better than the R1 and why i paid $1000 a month for it when i am paying $129 for the R1 LOL plus i am going to buy a RC45 so things were tight so i settled for a R1 and a RC45 over the 45 and the MV fugg it.
"Exercise restraint and discipline, only responding to posts from legit customers and those with constructive positive intent, you will find that the handgrenades explode harmlessly. You have many satisfied customers who are happy to have the parts you've made. My suggestion to you is keep making good parts, keep getting more customers, take care of them and let them speak for you."
dood, i can have just about any bike or bikes i want and i chose not to get the MV. the payments were a factor in not getting it but i was approved and could have afforded if if i wanted it. i just think (I)would have been disappointed for my money and i am not the type to say i like something because it is expensive of i am supposed to like it. i respect the fact turbo had some good and bad to say about the bike as that is fair not bullshat. most with a MV even if they did not likie something would lie and act better than cause it is a MV and their pride would interfere with their objectivity. like for 20k they are going to say the brakes suck or the bike wants to tuck like some taboo deal, not cool IMO.
fact is the R1,ZX, Gixxer or my CBR would wail that MV for half the money. i was going to buy the MV for the looks and because it was different but for $20,000+ i wanted something more than different some don't and i respect that. i just did not think the MV price tag was warranted for my needs and i would have been let down after riding my R1 right after and wondering was the MV was not any better than the R1 and why i paid $1000 a month for it when i am paying $129 for the R1 LOL plus i am going to buy a RC45 so things were tight so i settled for a R1 and a RC45 over the 45 and the MV fugg it.
I certify that MRGRN is telling the truth. I put the Sold sign on the bike myself. He opted out at the last minute.
The MV reminds me of a CBR1K that flicks a little better than the Honda. Only....... I friggin hate Hondas.
But it's just as stable as a honda. Just as smooth as a Honda. Faster than a Honda up top. Applies mass centralization just like a Honda. Pretty much a Honda done right. I just need to get used to the front end. Maybe I'll put full Ohlins on the bike and play with the rake a bit.
some more time on it and some goodies and it will be a great machine man, congrats it is very pretty. i did like that all black bike, very tempting indeed.
thanks for the write up and i hope your duke is all better now, very nice and thanks for the help T
"Exercise restraint and discipline, only responding to posts from legit customers and those with constructive positive intent, you will find that the handgrenades explode harmlessly. You have many satisfied customers who are happy to have the parts you've made. My suggestion to you is keep making good parts, keep getting more customers, take care of them and let them speak for you."
dood, i can have just about any bike or bikes i want and i chose not to get the MV. the payments were a factor in not getting it but i was approved and could have afforded if i wanted it..
Dude...payments ?? WTF
Just slap down the cash bro.....nice satin black F41000......mmmm.
Affording it means handing over da cash.
Stop justifyin' the wrong bike and go get that animal you really want
You'll love it...they're such a wonderful sensation on track.
On a side note...I've been on a F4-750 for 3 odd years, and got my first ride on a F41000 last week...............wholly snappin' duck sh*t. Fast bike ! LOL
What an animal.
The world doens't need bikes like this, but isn't it nice to know they're available.
"Exercise restraint and discipline, only responding to posts from legit customers and those with constructive positive intent, you will find that the handgrenades explode harmlessly. You have many satisfied customers who are happy to have the parts you've made. My suggestion to you is keep making good parts, keep getting more customers, take care of them and let them speak for you."
On another note, my rear suspension is going to be reworked. I have determined that it is too softly sprung in the back. Regardless of my sag settings.
First Trackday on My MV -- Summit Point Main
and their pride would interfere with their objectivity. like for 20k they are going to say the brakes suck or the bike wants to tuck like some taboo deal, not cool IMO.
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