You'll all love this.. The other day while bumming around the local shop I was admiring a F41000 1+1. I mention how I would like to own one. The sales "guy" started in on how the R1 LE was a better bike and 4k cheaper (and I could buy one that day!). Part of me would love to call MV and mention that to them...
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2006 Ducati 999S Mono in black.
You'll all love this.. The other day while bumming around the local shop I was admiring a F41000 1+1. I mention how I would like to own one. The sales "guy" started in on how the R1 LE was a better bike and 4k cheaper (and I could buy one that day!). Part of me would love to call MV and mention that to them...
At the end of the day it's just an R1 w/ Ohlins, Marco's, and a Slipper clutch. I'd much rather sneak out to my garage to look at my MV than any R1. It's like throwing a bunch of money at a Mitsubishi Evo, at the end of the day any one will take a much harder look at a Ferrari.
It all depends on whether you are the type that trades frequently or is a buy and hold kind of guy. If you plan on replacing the bike in a year or two, or intend to take it frequently to the track, the the R1 is for you. However, if you plan on keeping the bike long term, compare the two and decide which one you would like to own ten years from now. Ask somebody today whether they would rather have a 1994 YZF750R, or a 1994 Ducati 888.
The R1LE is an interesting marketing tool for Yamaha. I read somewhere that the 999S outsold the standard 999 the first year. If you look at Aprilia Milles, there seems to be about as many "factory" models as standard bikes for sale. It makes sense for the Japanese factories to try and sell several hundred of these "OEM upgraded" bikes. They get 50% more for the bike, but don't have anywhere near that much in the additional cost of production, so just extra profit for them. The bike is then also a better platform for racing, which is also a benefit from a marketing standpoint. I would expect all of the Big 4 to offer these by MY2008, especially if the Yamaha dominates Superstock.
I am curious what dealers think of the R1LE, while they will make more on the sale than a standard R1, they also won't get the revenue selling high-margin aftermarket parts like the wheels, so I wonder if in the end it means less money in the dealer's pocket.
$18k still seems steep for what amounts to an R1 with a few significant upgrades, but I'm sure it will be an awesome performer. In the real world the MV will probably just as spectacular, and nicer to look at in a decade.
Did you have a backwards b-ball cap, and a No Fear T-shirt?
I've seen stuff like this before but those times it boiled down to the the sales guy trying to save the bike for someone else. He could also get a bigger kick from Yamaha, but I can't see them being desperate enough to start spiffing those bikes yet.
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You'll all love this.. The other day while bumming around the local shop I was admiring a F41000 1+1. I mention how I would like to own one. The sales "guy" started in on how the R1 LE was a better bike and 4k cheaper (and I could buy one that day!). Part of me would love to call MV and mention that to them...
Next weekend is the motorcycle show here in Minneapolis. I've heard MV is suppose to be there. I think I'll mention my experience to the local rep and see what they say... Right now I'm leaning towards a MV. My 999 is a sweet ride and I didn't get a MV last year because I thought the price was 25kplus. 21k while still very steep is not that bad for the ride..
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Go for it. I have been pretty vocal before about how much better I think the MV is than the Duc. I came off of a 2003 999, and I couldn't be happier. It handles better out of the box (the Duc handled well at the end, but I did a bunch of stuff to it); the electronic slipper just rocks, the engine has staggering (and stupid, really) amounts of power, and the looks can't be beat. Do it, and don't look back. Not to say that both aren't worth owning either, just for me, the MV has the Duc beat, easy. It is worth every penny, and more.
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Go for it. I have been pretty vocal before about how much better I think the MV is than the Duc. I came off of a 2003 999, and I couldn't be happier. It handles better out of the box (the Duc handled well at the end, but I did a bunch of stuff to it); the electronic slipper just rocks, the engine has staggering (and stupid, really) amounts of power, and the looks can't be beat. Do it, and don't look back. Not to say that both aren't worth owning either, just for me, the MV has the Duc beat, easy. It is worth every penny, and more.
I agree.. My friend with a 999S and I (F4 SPR) traded bikes out in the hills this weekend. The MV is hands down a more single focused bike out of the box from the handling to the engine. The 999 seating position was far too upright for a "race" bike, even my 996 has a more agressive position. Also the 999 was almost too smooth, it didn't have the quirks that my 996 has, I don't know how to explain it, but anyone who has ridden both will understand. (999 and 996 I mean.) I couldn't wait to get back to my SPR after riding the 999. Even my friend who doesn't nothing but rag on MV Agusta and their financial status and about how they don't race anymore was so impressed, the first tihing he said when he got off my bike was "I've got to get an MV.".
You'll all love this.. The other day while bumming around the local shop I was admiring a F41000 1+1. I mention how I would like to own one. The sales "guy" started in on how the R1 LE was a better bike and 4k cheaper (and I could buy one that day!). Part of me would love to call MV and mention that to them...
What is so wrong with the statement. An R1 or almost any Japanese 1000 is a better bike than an MV Augusta. Even people who buy MV's should acknowledge that. It might not move you the way an MV does but dynamically and in many other ways the MV cannot cut it
What is so wrong with the statement. An R1 or almost any Japanese 1000 is a better bike than an MV Augusta. Even people who buy MV's should acknowledge that. It might not move you the way an MV does but dynamically and in many other ways the MV cannot cut it
On the off chance you are not just trolling, and on the equally off chance that you have ridden both for a sufficient amount of time to have an informed opinion, why do you say this? It certainly doesn't jive with personal experience, reviews, or feedback here. Unless it is just a statement that the MV costs 1.5x so it needs to be 1.5x "better" from a performance point of view to be worth it? (I don't buy that logic for an instant, but I am wondering if that is yours...). In any event, your statement is kinda confrontational/trollish to be found on a MV board with no justification, dontcha think?
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2006 Suzuki GSX-R750
I$18k still seems steep for what amounts to an R1 with a few significant upgrades, but I'm sure it will be an awesome performer. In the real world the MV will probably just as spectacular, and nicer to look at in a decade.
+1 on that one. I think anybody that buys that bike is a moron. You spend that money on something Italian. Regardless of how many people say "Ducati this, MV Agusta that..".
If they had an unlimited source of funds, I'de bet everything I own there would be one of EACH in thier garage. The only difference between them and people with one, is people with them made the choice to spend thier money ON ONE instead of TRYING to justify why they went with the bike they got.
The new Roadracingworld magazine has a good comparison between the Ducati 999s, CBR1000RR, ZX-10, GSXR1000, R1, and R1LE. They go very in-depth about several of the features of each with some surprising results. Such as the wheel of the CBR is actually lighter than the wheel on the R1LE. The standard R1 makes slightly more horsepower than the R1LE while weighing less. Most of the guys conceded that the standard R1 is indistiguishable from the R1LE on the street and that the LE's main advantage away from racing is "bling" factor. Toye noted the slipper clutch as its main advantage in a racing situation, of course that will no doubt be standard on the R1 in a year or two as well.
I think it is safe to say they are all light, have good suspension, and are insanely fast. It is all about which one gets you the hottest.
The new Roadracingworld magazine has a good comparison between the Ducati 999s, CBR1000RR, ZX-10, GSXR1000, R1, and R1LE. They go very in-depth about several of the features of each with some surprising results. Such as the wheel of the CBR is actually lighter than the wheel on the R1LE. The standard R1 makes slightly more horsepower than the R1LE while weighing less. Most of the guys conceded that the standard R1 is indistiguishable from the R1LE on the street and that the LE's main advantage away from racing is "bling" factor. Toye noted the slipper clutch as its main advantage in a racing situation, of course that will no doubt be standard on the R1 in a year or two as well.
I think it is safe to say they are all light, have good suspension, and are insanely fast. It is all about which one gets you the hottest.
No MV1000 was in the test unfortunately.
The MV probably wouldn't have come in last, unless they really put a lot of weight on price.
I talked to Doug Chandler about the Cycle World test he did and he said with just a litle bit better front brakes he probably could have lapped close to as fast as the winner, the Kawasaki. He really liked it. He was surprised that it was definitely a contender.
I give a lot of weight to the guys at RW, but Doug Chandler trumps all of them, sorry. Even they would probably concede that.
He also trumps all jackass internet trolls too.
But I don't need him to tell me it's a good bike. I've got one. I know what it can do. If you haven't ridden one, you don't get it. It takes a while to really get into what it does if you've been riding Japanese bikes. When you do gel with it (which doesn't happen in a day), then it all makes sense. I'm pretty sure most MV riders will agree with that.
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If you haven't ridden one, you don't get it. It takes a while to really get into what it does if you've been riding Japanese bikes. When you do gel with it (which doesn't happen in a day), then it all makes sense. I'm pretty sure most MV riders will agree with that.
After recently getting my Brutale on April Fools...I 100% now see how an MV is better than any jap bike. I have the 750, and would take it ANYDAY over the R1LE, or any litre jap bike...
Like said over and over...if you haven't ridden one, you won't understand. Closest description you can give, is it's like comparing a beer to wine. You can buy tons of beer for the same price as a bottle of good wine. But, you won't find that bottle of beer tasting any better in 10 years....it's not as refined, and isn't a dime a dozen.
R1LE Better than a MV
Right now I'm leaning towards a MV. My 999 is a sweet ride and I didn't get a MV last year because I thought the price was 25kplus. 21k while still very steep is not that bad for the ride..
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