Supersport 800

#1 (**permalink**) 08-29-2005, 05:48 PM

Hi guys,

Does anyone know if Ducati will be keeping this bike in the line up for 2006? Or will the 1000 be the only option? I love the Ducati sound and would like the rideability of a V-twin, but I don't know if I can cough up the extra ching for the 1000 right now. Is the motor in the Monster S2R the same as the SS800? That may be my only other option, but I would prefer the more sport oriented position of the SS. Any help or input is appreciated.

Thanks,
Schmitty

#2 (**permalink**) 08-29-2005, 05:55 PM

the motors are the same with the s2r. if you want to stay on the sportin side, just put clip-ons on the s2r and you'll have similar position but virtually no wind protection.
that said... with the upcoming release of the 1000 powered s2r in '06, any left over '05 1000ss bikes oughta be real easy to negotiate price-wise!

nickg · #3 (**permalink**) 09-01-2005, 11:51 PM

just be aware that these are basically worthless machines, so if you buy one...keep it for ever. I cannot get 5500 for my 1 1/2 month old 1000ss with 600 miles

PSk · #4 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by nickg

just be aware that these are basically worthless machines, so if you buy one...keep it for ever. I cannot get 5500 for my 1 1/2 month old 1000ss with 600 miles

I guess everybody has heard all about your wonderful machine ...

Maybe next time you will think a little before yelling lemon ... nobody wants to buy a lemon.
Pete
ps: Keep lowering the price and when it is cheap enough for me to ship over to Sydney, well we might start talking ... but you will have to fix that bloody head light issue first

AndreasMet · #5 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 12:20 PM

I don't know if they will keep the 800 or not. What I can tell you is I would spend the extra money to get the 1000. I bought mine in June.
I am 6'52, weigh 230, and am a begining to intermediate rider. I ride back and forth to work every day. The commute is 18 miles each way with 1/3 being freeway, 1/3 city, and 1/3 Gibraltar traffic.

1. The bike is fast enough for me. I have gone 200 kph and that is way too fast. I cruise between 130 and 160 kph on the freeway, daily. Very secure. Wind not bad.
2. Agile for lane splitting.
3. Great brakes. I do full throttle, full brakes whenever possible. On the slick roads here in Gibraltar I have locked the front wheel once when a dummy stepped in front of me. The bike is very mellow they way it loses traction and recovery is rapid and secure.
4. Good accelleration. Easy enough to get that light, airy, front end feeling in first and second.
5. Better in turns than I will ever be.

Every day I ride it I think of how great the bike is. The best word is 'spirited.'

After 3,000 kilometers there have been no mechanical issues.

It's a bike you love going to and from work. Your girlfriend loves it because it's comfy and has that Ducati vibration. And you love it even more because it grows on you--even without mods.

There are faster, more powerfull, bikes out there--some of which I have ridden. But in the real world (at least mone) the Spupersports perform up to the standard I ride at. What good is an extra 1/2 second on a quarter mile when the roads I ride on lose traction on the rear wheel at full throttle any way? What good are an extra 30 mph at the top end when that will land you in jail--or worse?

I paid top dollar for the bike and would do the same tomorrow.

Hope that helps. And have fun.

Sticky · #6 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 01:41 PM

Isn't the S2R a wet clutch?

nickg · #7 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PSk

I guess everybody has heard all about your wonderful machine ...

Maybe next time you will think a little before yelling lemon ... nobody wants to buy a lemon.
Pete
ps: Keep lowering the price and when it is cheap enough for me to ship over to Sydney, well we might start talking ... but you will have to fix that bloody head light issue first

actually since it has a 2 year unlimited warranty and Ducati is fixing that problem, i would not say it was a lemon yet. but just be aware that i offered this to the several Ducati dealers for 3500 as trade towards a new one(not Ducati) and they said no thanks. They are completely worthless, even in parts i could not even approach what i have in it ( i can't even get 1000 for the motor!, only would have sold like $1500 worth of parts and then the rest was trash) and i got a left over. if you pay sticker or even withing 4000 of it you are still losing your ass in depreciation on this pos. If this was a monster this would not be an issue, be sure to do some SERIOUS research before you plunk the $ down.
In all honestly it is a wonderful machine, it handles great, stops great, it looks amazing. Everything about the actual machine is great, but be warned that if it is your first Ducati(like it was for me) be prepared for poor dealers, bad parts, overpriced half assed service and a general depression over your loss. Now I am not saying that they all are like that, but I know the experience I had is less than i expected. Been to 3 dealers, been overcharged by all of them for service.

hubert · #8 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nickg

actually since it has a 2 year unlimited warranty and Ducati is fixing that problem, i would not say it was a lemon yet. but just be aware that i offered this to the several Ducati dealers for 3500 as trade towards a new one(not Ducati) and they said no thanks. They are completely worthless, even in parts i could not even approach what i have in it ( i can't even get 1000 for the motor!, only would have sold like $1500 worth of parts and then the rest was trash) and i got a left over. if you pay sticker or even withing 4000 of it you are still losing your ass in depreciation on this pos. If this was a monster this would not be an issue, be sure to do some SERIOUS research before you plunk the $ down.
In all honestly it is a wonderful machine, it handles great, stops great, it looks amazing. Everything about the actual machine is great, but be warned that if it is your first Ducati(like it was for me) be prepared for poor dealers, bad parts, overpriced half assed service and a general depression over your loss. Now I am not saying that they all are like that, but I know the experience I had is less than i expected. Been to 3 dealers, been overcharged by all of them for service.

Maybe the bike's biggest problem is you?

I got $5000 for my 900 sport that was close to a year old and I bought it as a left over for 5995. I could have got more for it but sold it to a friend and didn't care to split hairs.

The Supersports are great bikes and all your whining and bitching not only casts a unfounded negative limelight on the SS and their owners, but it smacks of assinine drivle of a guy who just can't shut his yack longenough to enjoy his motorcycle.

Winter's coming genius, look where you are? Common sense, NO DUH! you're not selling. Why don't you spend less time bitching and moaning over exhaust straps headlights and get on your bike and ride it. Christ.

hubert · #9 (**permalink**) 09-02-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest

Hi guys,

Does anyone know if Ducati will be keeping this bike in the line up for 2006? Or will the 1000 be the only option? I love the Ducati sound and would like the rideability of a V-twin, but I don't know if I can cough up the extra ching for the 1000 right now. Is the motor in the Monster S2R the same as the SS800? That may be my only other option, but I would prefer the more sport oriented position of the SS. Any help or input is appreciated.

Thanks,
Schmitty

Yes, the 800SS motor is in the S2R however the S2R features the torque limiting clutch that the SS does not have; otherwise, they're the same.

Like posted above, you can get the S2R if you prefer it and add clipons and you'd be more sporting; the SS isn't really a touring bike nor really a sport bike, it's in the middle and it does both well but the S2R (having just ridden one) is ultra cool too - it really depends on your intended use.

nickg · #10 (**permalink**) 09-03-2005, 01:19 AM

I am just relating my experience....sorry that you disagree. but I am only telling about my "new to Ducati" experience...your experience may vary (i hope) I would love to just ride mine, but since having a light out on a bike is 2 points on your liscese and about $180-300 in fines, I can't.

hubert · #11 (**permalink**) 09-03-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nickg

I am just relating my experience....sorry that you disagree. but I am only telling about my "new to Ducati" experience...your experience may vary (i hope) I would love to just ride mine, but since having a light out on a bike is 2 points on your liscese and about $180-300 in fines, I can't.

I do disagree. What's wrong w/ your light, still?

My 99 750SS had 12500 miles on it when I got rid of it and ran strong, it was crashed, twice, and still held up. It also had a couple warranty issues but they were all taken care of.

My 02 900 Sport I took delivery of witha busted fuel sensor (so the gas idiot light wouldn't come on) and I didn't care; could still ride the bike and it was going to get fixed under warranty - who cares.

I had some naggles with a dealer out of my area and I never went back and have stuck with my local dealer - you 've got to pick who you do business with.

If you can't ride it on the street, haul it to the track - you don't need headlights there.

What could you possibly be waiting on w/ the headlight? Have you asked section8 or ducatiseattle for help? Though with your penchant for over-reacting, you may well have shot yourself squarly in the foot over some exhaust straps.

I'm replying to you, to let others know that your experience,with an SS is the exception, and the that your "disgusted of the whole experience" is unfounded in relation to the problems that you, specifically have had; much ado about chicken little.

nickg · #12 (**permalink**) 09-03-2005, 02:42 AM

the headlight blows bulbs, been at 2 dealers and they say that there is nothing wrong. I have replaced 7 bulbs in 400 miles. I am not a racer, i bought the bike because i like the heratige and the thing is just stunning. I can only relate my experience, I took it to one dealer, explained the problem and when i got the bike back the work order said something like this

"customer states that the headlight blows out frequently"
tech writes..."it works"
no fix there, I drove it home 40 miles....by the time i got home it was out.
I was told that if you ride in too tall a gear, when you roll on the gas, it will cause it to blow from excessive vibration. Plausible, completely plausible. So on my way home from this, i road at no lower than 4000 to 4500 rpms...still blew.
My other problem is the mirrors...they keep losing adjustment...like every 1/3 mile, not a floppy mirror, just that it moves any time you are moving....they said that it normal and as good as they get...wtf?
Ducati says that they have no issues with bulbs blowing in these, but I have been in contact with them about it since it became an issue. To their credit, they are certainly concerned with solving my problems. the problem is that this has been in the shop 2 weeks or so, in my shed unridable from the light another week or so that they are running into lemon law territory(30 days oos and 3 failed attempts to fix).
It is real frustrating because I would be saving a tone of $ riding it to work instead of driving.... I figured that I would just trade it in at the dealer it's at now, they are not interested in taking it in on any bike...I offered it to them for a song, $3500 credit towards another bike on the floor (aprilia mille) and they said no...

larrydk · #13 (**permalink**) 09-04-2005, 11:45 AM

If you don't mind buying used, get your hands on the 03' 800ss. This bike had adjustable front and rear suspension and one of the best swing arms I've ever seen.

The newer models seem to lack these items.

SpaghettiRed · #14 (**permalink**) 09-04-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by nickg

been at 2 dealers and they say that there is nothing wrong.

Did you go in with a good attitude and a winning personality? Or did you walk in like an ass and tell them to fix your bike - kinda like you tell everybody here stuff. I have read your stories, quietly, and I think you are not the victim of a bad bike. I think you were brought up wrong. Your parental figures failed to teach you the proper way to social network. People will do amazing things for those they consider allies. As for your bike... why would anybody want to buy it from you? You are an ass. You have bad mouthed that bike so much that we are left only to think it is truly garbage (espaecially now that you have put your tender loving on it). If you abuse your bike the way you abuse peope, it comes as no surprise to me that you are unable to get 3500 for the bike. It's a worn out POS. You killed a ducati in 610 miles. Wow. you suck. your story is old. children whine less than you. SHUTUP already

Bcebrian · #15 (**permalink**) 09-04-2005, 06:33 PM

To answer the original question , yes the 800 will be in the 06 lineup. In red only with a red frame.

mortoduc · #16 (**permalink**) 09-04-2005, 07:50 PM

ok nickg, I just have to ask what part of the country are you in and who are the dealers that have done you so wrong?

AndreasMet · #17 (**permalink**) 09-05-2005, 01:10 PM

I cannot comprehend why you would want to sell your 'lemon' anyway. I plan on keeping mine for the next thirty years. Maybe then it will be worth something.

If you are interested in making money then I think a bike is the last place to do it.

In five years the extra $$$ I paid for my bike will work out to about $50 per month. Less than I spend on a date night. And the bike does a lot more for me than most date nights.

Good luck and have fun.

tattooskickass · #18 (**permalink**) 09-05-2005, 07:14 PM

Even though I haven't been able to ride my 800 for a while because of my wrist problem, I LOVE my bike!! I have the '04 model. Red with the silver frame. I think I like the silver frame rather than the red frame. I will never sell this bike!!

mortoduc · #19 (**permalink**) 09-06-2005, 08:48 PM

Nick, I could tell you my horror story of new Ducati ownership when I pick up my 851, and the first few years of ownership,(I was really impresed with the shop that gave me my bike back after dyno runs and him telling me 70bhp is normal only to get home and find no coolant in the bike) 13 yrs ago there were fewer dealerships or independent shop that are in my opinion a better option. let alone infomation on bulitin boards such as this, if you ask nice there is a great network of ducatisti around that will help don't give up once right there is nothing like a duc.

Bill H. · #20 (**permalink**) 09-07-2005, 01:57 AM

Hey, Schmitty!

750 800 900 1000 It's all good!

Bigger is better, if you can swing it.

New is better, if you can swing it.

But any '99 or later SS will treat you as well as an asian bike.

Supersports may not hold trade-in value,or catch the eye of the opposite sex as well as Monsters, but they're infinitely better bikes.

Especially if you're going to be doing the occasional track day.