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<snip>and the Showa with 25mm internals work better than the Olins with the 25mm internals. Mike Fitzgerald built the forks. The cost was a trade.</snip>
Obviously Mike's the Man and knows what he's doing, but just curioius why the Showa forks with the cart kit would work better than Ohlins forks with the 25mm carts?
WRT the injectors and Doug, my stock injectors are 11% different, I just ordered several more to flow test and use the best matched set another week lost.
WRT the forks, I am not Mike and don't claim to be a suspension GOD, Eric Wood tried both last year on a 848 and his advice to us was to go with the Showa, the Olins has a oil pasage that is utilized under max/hard fork travel the Showa does not have this port and performs better under extreme conditions per Eric. Besides the Olins are not allowed in the class.
CM, about the injectors, did you check the spray patter with oem? and if so where there any spray or just a squirt sort a?
Curious since I checked the 999 injectors not long ago and they where just a solid squirt. (Realising it may work anyway due to it being atomised in the intake business.) Something is working reasonably good, curious to see what can be improved on though? What spec did you go for?
Obviously Mike's the Man and knows what he's doing, but just curioius why the Showa forks with the cart kit would work better than Ohlins forks with the 25mm carts?
I'm curious about that too. If that is true why are we wasting money on Ohlins forks at all? I guess the supposedly better build quality lighter weight and TiN coatings don't mean anything then if this is in fact the case. I'd love to hear Ohlins USA's offical take on this seeing how Mike is the man and my in house suspension guy is trained by him. I am not limited to stock forks so I made the change but did I throw my money away?
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I'm curious about that too. If that is true why are we wasting money on Ohlins forks at all? I guess the supposedly better build quality lighter weight and TiN coatings don't mean anything then if this is in fact the case. I'd love to hear Ohlins USA's offical take on this seeing how Mike is the man and my in house suspension guy is trained by him. I am not limited to stock forks so I made the change but did I throw my money away?
I'm going to call Eric today and ask him about this. I have a tough time believing this is true. He is a friend and one of my bigger sponsors. I would think he might have mentioned this to me before now.
__________________ 848RS, M1100S (soon) GP SuperTwins Champion 2007 & 2008
Nothing is more satisfying than passing V4 Honda riders & Trolls!
I'm going to call Eric today and ask him about this. I have a tough time believing this is true. He is a friend and one of my bigger sponsors. I would think he might have mentioned this to me before now.
Okay so I just got off the phone with my friend Eric Wood. Yes this story is technically correct, but only as it applies to the particular set of Ohlins forks that NCR supplied with the 848 Eric rode. This was due to a valving issue with the low speed compression bypass. In this case Mike recommended that Eric use the FGK equipped Showas. This is true and accurate.
BUT That is not the case with every set of Ohlins forks. You would have to ask Ohlins if this applies to the forks you might have on hand. There are many differences in Ohlins forks classified as RT type. Even with Ducati OEM Ohlins they can change significantly from model to model and year to year.
I am now checking the specific Ohlins forks I have on my 848 to see which setup they have. Interesting development.
__________________ 848RS, M1100S (soon) GP SuperTwins Champion 2007 & 2008
Nothing is more satisfying than passing V4 Honda riders & Trolls!
Okay so I just got off the phone with my friend Eric Wood. Yes this story is technically correct, but only as it applies to the particular set of Ohlins forks that NCR supplied with the 848 Eric rode. This was due to a valving issue with the low speed compression bypass. In this case Mike recommended that Eric use the FGK equipped Showas. This is true and accurate.
BUT That is not the case with every set of Ohlins forks. You would have to ask Ohlins if this applies to the forks you might have on hand. There are many differences in Ohlins forks classified as RT type. Even with Ducati OEM Ohlins they can change significantly from model to model and year to year.
I am now checking the specific Ohlins forks I have on my 848 to see which setup they have. Interesting development.
That would stand to reason that not all Ohlins forks are designed exactly the same.
WRT the spray, the feed back I got was it was a good fan that was matched for both injectors. The pintels or holes are lasser drilled and this is not the best method for high accuracy flow, but for a cheap $160 injector we cant expect more. The holes are not deburred and lasser drilling leaves a hard recast layer. For Liquid Rocket Motors we always machine drill all our injector holes for high accuracy, and to eliminate the recast layer. But the cost of an injector is about the cost of a 1098R.
Another update... the bike is running! I loaded a map to start from in the Nemesis today and installed it while Ed and Gary started to fit the bodywork.
Bodywork is from Armourbodies - we waited over a year for it! These are the first sets in the US Eric has a few and we have 2. Fitment is great everywhere besides the tail which is almost perfect. We trimmed a corner and needed to make a couple of mounting spots larger. We'll email them the feedback and they'll get them right.
The bike sounds like an absolute animal! Can't wait to see how it does on the dyno.
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