748-996 Tuning Software (FREE!)

[desmo11]

TuneEdit is TuneBoy, right? Never used it... Sorry...

[desmo_pt]

Yes Tuneedit is a part of the TuneBoy.

It has a feature that i need, the program has the ability of puting a powercommander map over the original map, is just what i need.....

[TomTom]

Originally Posted by desmo_pt

Yes Tuneedit is a part of the TuneBoy.

It has a feature that i need, the program has the ability of puting a powercommander map over the original map, is just what i need.....

You need to explain better what you want to do, to receive help.

[desmo_pt]

Well let me explain,

I have my 748R heads being flowed, and i don't want to put a powercommander in my bike. I have a power commander map for a bike with the same tunning than mine, so the feature of the Tuneedit is perfect, i can get the map from the original 748R and put over the powercommander map and so i have a chip for the the bike. Then with a AFR i can fine tune the chip.....

Hope i managed to transmit what i want.....

A link to the Tuneedit features, see the bottom of the page....

TuneBoy V2.4 Product info

Pedro

[TomTom]

The pc map have got totally different map definitions so it wont work the way you like it to.

You can do it manually though, the pc map is in percent adding or subtracting from the eprom value, but you have figure out in what box to change, because of different breakpoints and array size.

I'd forget the pc and work on the eprom.

My idea of getting fast results would be to make say 5 eproms, -5%, +5%, +10%, +15%, +20% Then you try them one after the other in the dyno and put all the five curves on top of each other, then you can figure out from that what the engine likes best.

[lushbaugh-00'748]

this self tuning sucked me in ....ive had a little experience with working with chipped and tuned honda car ecu's so i think im gonna get in on this just for some s and gs on the 748....i only have one question as of now...ive heard from other write ups that the ecu must be cleared before the new eprom is installed or theres no effect. am i confused or do you need to clear the ecu first, and if so how?

[desmo_pt]

I will put a burned chip on my 748R this week, anybody know anything lushbaugh-00'748 doubt, i heard it too. Can anyone help?

[Old Baldy]

I vaguely recall Brad or Dwayne or someone saying that once an FIM chip is installed, the ECU needs to be cleared but don't have any idea what that means, as I'd think it implies there is a second chip somewhere with data that needs to be whiped and re-initialized and that doesn't make sense to me.

Anybody know?

[neno]

I'm not an expert on this but I believe the computer holds certain values for idling, startup, and up until a certain rpm. After this the chip takes over. I believe all you need to do to reset this is pull a battery wire off for 15 seconds or so, and it will reset these values. Can anyone confirm this???

[brad black]

if you're running non FIM / Ultimap megazone style eproms then you just fit and that's it.

if you're replacing one FIM / Ultimap megazone style eprom with another AND you have made zone mods using the hht or ultimap software, then the zone mods will be applied to the new eprom as well. this is because the zone mods are stored in the ecu itself, not the Ultimap eprom. so to make sure the new eprom is not zoned, you need to clear the zone mods using the hht or software. unless you want the same zone mods to apply to the new eprom, in which case you leave it as it was.

[Old Baldy]

Mr Black to the rescue, yet again! Thanks, Brad.

[lushbaugh-00'748]

ok i think i got it now....you need not reset anything aslong as your using software and eeproms that are not ultimap or fim correct?

[vij]

Originally Posted by desmo11

hmmm, are you loading the definition file (.xdf) too?

I'll check on this thread, please don't PM me as my box fills up. Also, other folks might have the same questions you do so it'll be a good reference for everyone.

For starters are the .bin files renamed to actual .bin file extention names? What are you doing with the .xdf files? They are the template for the thing to interpret the .bin files.

It's probably a silly mistake somewhere so stick with it. If you can describe exactly what you are doing to try to open it would help.

Well. I dont manage to open the file. It might be due to my limited basic computer skills of and limited skills in the English computer language.

Is it possible that some one can give an idiot like me some more "hands on clicking on the key board" advise. Changing txt to bin to xdf does not say to much to me.

Am I to stupid?

I can handle the ultimap U59 maper in a good way so it might be hope for me if some one wants to help out.

Jocke.......

[desmo11]

Brad, is the hht some sort of hard reset in the ecu? If so, can you advise on how to do a hard reset?

vij, I'll drop you a PM....

[Old Baldy]

Jocke

I'm a total idiot at this stuff myself, but I'll give it a try for you.

1. You need to download the TunerPro or TunerproRT programs from the link that desmo11 provided here...

TunerPro program http://www.tunerpro.markmansur.com/d...oFree_v414.exe

OR....
TuneProRT program (either one works for what we need)
http://www.tunerpro.markmansur.com/d...ProRT_v414.exe

2. For the 748/916/996 Binary image files, you need a DEFINITIONS file (which describes the layout of the binary ECU file on the chip to the TunerPro program, and allows the TunerPro program to adjust the data on the ECU Binary file in a simple manner for us to understand).

This is the XDF file (the file name must end in ".xdf").

This file is the one that desmo11 provided here...
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/att...illers_xdf.txt

When you download the file, do NOT open the file in Notepad or any text editor but rather SAVE it to your hard drive.
AFTER you download that file, you must change the name of the file from "ForSpeedzillers_xdf.txt" to this "ForSpeedzillers_xdf.xdf".
You do this name change the normal way in Windows, with Windows Explorer.

3. In the TunerPro program, you must now tell it to use that definitions file, so that it knows how to read the binary file properly.
You open the program and select the "XDF" menu at the top, then "Select XDF..." and find the definitions file that you renamed from ".txt" to ".xdf"

The program will load that definitions file and now know what to do with the binary file that is loaded on or from the ECU chip.

4. You now load the relevant binary ECU file and you should be able to see the maps and other parameters that you can change in the Tunerpro program.

If you don't have a chip-reader hardware, and want to see what the ECU binary files look like, or use them to play around with in the Tunerpro program, you can use any of the 3 binary files that desmo11 provided...

916 binary file (mapped for 52MM half-system exhaust)
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/att...e-9160611z.pdf

OR....
916 stock file
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/att...ree-916stk.pdf

OR...
748 stock file
http://www.speedzilla.com/forums/att...ree-748stk.pdf

NOTE: You must SAVE these files to hard drive. Do NOT open them with Adobe Reader, even though they have ".PDF" extensions. You must RE-NAME these files to "*.BIN" with Windows Explorer.

Example, the stock 916 file must be changed from "916STK.pdf" to "916STK.bin".

5. In Tunerpro, you click "File" menu, then "Open BIN..." and find that binary file that you renamed.

6. You should now be able to see the most important contents of the ECU chip binary file for a stock 916 - including the fuel base map for the horizontal cylinder, the offset map for the vertical cylinder, the spark map, the RPM map breakpoints, the air pressure and air temp trims, etc, etc, etc.

You can change any of these right there in TunerPro, and save the changes to a new BIN file, and then if you buy a chip burner such as the Moates burner for around $100 from the link in this thread, and some blank re-writeable chips that fit your Ducati ECU, you can save (burn) the binary image that you changed, to the blank chip and give it a try in the bike.

Of course, you have tremendous flexibility and power here....and there is NOTHING to stop you from screwing it up badly and causing major engine damage if you change the wrong thing....

I have managed to load some binaries, and play with the program, and burn them to blank chips but as my motor is not back together yet, I haven't been able to actually try anything yet on the road.


Here's a text dump of the 748 059U chip file from Tunerpro
http://motodyn.com/chips/748-059U/ex...t/748-059U.txt

[marvin]

Very cool! OB, I will have lots of questions for you when you come down to see Rick!!

BTW, I picked up another of those propane heaters that I offered up last year, I only need one!

Marvin

[vij]

Originally Posted by desmo11

Brad, is the hht some sort of hard reset in the ecu? If so, can you advise on how to do a hard reset?

vij, I'll drop you a PM....

The HHT is a "Hand Held Terminal". A tool made by FIM (ultimap) to adjust the zones. It has now been replaced by a software that does the same thing and some more things like loading maps in to U59 ECU:s

Jocke......

[TomTom]

Talking Eprom for 16m/p8.

I had the impression that all eproms would go with any bike, but it seems not? Anyone got a clue?

For example the 01 748R won't run on a 00 748R eprom, the 01 996S wont run on a 99 996bip eprom...and vice versa. The 01 bikes will fire on each others eproms but obviously not run well. Any ideas?

[vij]

Originally Posted by Old Baldy

Jocke

I'm a total idiot at this stuff myself, but I'll give it a try for you.

Thanks. It works now. What stopped me from opening the files was that I had selected to not show the extensions on the files and I could not change the extension due to that.

Here is how I solved it.

How to Change a File Extension in Windows

This is a very cool software. Now I can manipulate/make the EPROMS in the same was as I can manipulate my U59. Cool.

Just have to play a bit with the software to understand how to use it.

Nothing can stop me from installing a 996 engine in my 851 now.

A big thanks to Desmo11 for his big job.

Jocke.........

[vij]

Originally Posted by TomTom

Talking Eprom for 16m/p8.

I had the impression that all eproms would go with any bike, but it seems not? Anyone got a clue?

For example the 01 748R won't run on a 00 748R eprom, the 01 996S wont run on a 99 996bip eprom...and vice versa. The 01 bikes will fire on each others eproms but obviously not run well. Any ideas?

Is it possible that it might have some thing to do with the side stand switch or is that just an external relay function that does not include the ECU?

What year did the switch arrive on the side stand? I know that my 2001 748R had a side stand switch.

Jocke...........