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Old 11-26-2006, 08:42 PM
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Default Notched clutch basket Ducati 916

Just got done looking at the clutch on my Ducati, seems its got some notching on it. Is that a common occurance? She just turned 10,000 miles. So I'm thinking its time to replace the clutch plates, springs etc, and the basket. Any suggestions on where one might go to find these items, and which brands do you all recommend.

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Old 11-26-2006, 08:50 PM
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Your stock basket will last 20K+ mi. If it begins to hamper the clutch operation, then you should change it out.

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Old 11-27-2006, 12:41 AM
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It’s common.

Every time you engage the clutch, the plates that are driven by the engine through the clutch hub, push against the clutch basket fingers that drive the rear wheel. When eventually a gap develops between the plate tabs and the basket fingers, it results in an impact force between the surfaces that will both deform the plate tabs and notch the basket fingers. The larger the gap, the higher the impact forces - and the higher the impact forces the greater the deformation of the plates and basket.



So it’s a progressive process, reset only by the replacement of worn-out mushroom-tabbed plates and notched baskets.

The OEM clutch (on most models) has steel plates and a steel basket that initially have a small gap between them. Aftermarket clutch components that are aimed at the performance end of the market, substitute aluminum plates, hubs and baskets to reduce their flywheel effect. Aluminum plate clutch packs are about 1.5 lbs. lighter, but because they rotate four times slower than the flywheel, their effect on performance is minimal at best. The plate-to-finger gaps of these pruducts are often initially smaller than the stock tolerances when installed as a plate-basket package such as the Barnett-Nichols combo. However, aluminum is a softer material, and consequently more suceptible to impact-induced deformation that eventually leads to larger gaps.

There has been some innovation to try to address this durability issue, however.

For example, STM has tried to overcome this problem by increasing the number of tabs on each plate (and the number of basket fingers) from the stock 12 to 48 tabs. The intended result is to distribute the impact loads over a larger tab-basket contact area (lower psi) to reduce notching to the clutch basket fingers and mushrooming of the plate tabs.

Nichols Manufacturing designed their CNC-machined aluminum basket with wider basket fingers that results in larger finger contact area and consequently lower impact stresses, particularly when combined with their Barnett clutch pack where extra care has been taken to initially minimize gaps.

All the comparisons that I've read say that Ducati OEM steel plate friction material tends to outlast the aftermarket plates. In one case, 25,000mi vs. 16,000mi (Barnett). So, at roughly the same price, the stock plates seem to be the better deal.

Finally, keep in mind that when you mix steel and aluminum, the softer metal deforms preferentially and clearance gaps suffer, more than for steel-to-steel. So if you have a steel basket, stick with steel plates.

But, just because the basket is notched doesn't mean you need to replace the clutch. You’ll only need to replace the plates when the thickness of the friction material gets too thin to prevent slipping. You’ll notice a little slippage first when starting-off in first gear, but when it starts to slip in top gear it’s time for a new clutch pack.

Depending on the mileage and the depth of notching, you will probably will want to replace the basket at the same time. A notched basket will be louder, but I’m not convinced that it makes it any more difficult to for the plates to separate when disengaging the clutch. But replacing just the plate stack, which then has to engage the basket notch pattern worn-in by the previous plates, will possibly affect your ability to shift smoothly.

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Old 11-27-2006, 02:45 AM
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The OEM clutch (on most models) has steel plates and a steel basket that initially have a small gap between them. Aftermarket clutch components that are aimed at the performance end of the market, substitute aluminum plates, hubs and baskets to reduce their flywheel effect. Aluminum plate clutch packs are about 1.5 lbs. lighter, but because they rotate four times slower than the flywheel, their effect on performance is minimal at best. .
Does this theory apply to an 06 749? It comes stock with a slipper clutch, but I do not know what the basket is or how heavy the flywheel is. I have been told to get an aluminum basket for a noticable difference.
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:06 PM
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If you have a 749R it came with an aluminum basket, unsure on the other models. Most of the late model stuff seems to have an aluminum basket from the factory.
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It’s common.

Every time you engage the clutch, the plates that are driven by the engine through the clutch hub, push against the clutch basket fingers that drive the rear wheel. When eventually a gap develops between the plate tabs and the basket fingers, it results in an impact force between the surfaces that will both deform the plate tabs and notch the basket fingers. The larger the gap, the higher the impact forces - and the higher the impact forces the greater the deformation of the plates and basket.



So it’s a progressive process, reset only by the replacement of worn-out mushroom-tabbed plates and notched baskets.

The OEM clutch (on most models) has steel plates and a steel basket that initially have a small gap between them. Aftermarket clutch components that are aimed at the performance end of the market, substitute aluminum plates, hubs and baskets to reduce their flywheel effect. Aluminum plate clutch packs are about 1.5 lbs. lighter, but because they rotate four times slower than the flywheel, their effect on performance is minimal at best. The plate-to-finger gaps of these pruducts are often initially smaller than the stock tolerances when installed as a plate-basket package such as the Barnett-Nichols combo. However, aluminum is a softer material, and consequently more suceptible to impact-induced deformation that eventually leads to larger gaps.

There has been some innovation to try to address this durability issue, however.

For example, STM has tried to overcome this problem by increasing the number of tabs on each plate (and the number of basket fingers) from the stock 12 to 48 tabs. The intended result is to distribute the impact loads over a larger tab-basket contact area (lower psi) to reduce notching to the clutch basket fingers and mushrooming of the plate tabs.

Nichols Manufacturing designed their CNC-machined aluminum basket with wider basket fingers that results in larger finger contact area and consequently lower impact stresses, particularly when combined with their Barnett clutch pack where extra care has been taken to initially minimize gaps.

All the comparisons that I've read say that Ducati OEM steel plate friction material tends to outlast the aftermarket plates. In one case, 25,000mi vs. 16,000mi (Barnett). So, at roughly the same price, the stock plates seem to be the better deal.

Finally, keep in mind that when you mix steel and aluminum, the softer metal deforms preferentially and clearance gaps suffer, more than for steel-to-steel. So if you have a steel basket, stick with steel plates.

But, just because the basket is notched doesn't mean you need to replace the clutch. You’ll only need to replace the plates when the thickness of the friction material gets too thin to prevent slipping. You’ll notice a little slippage first when starting-off in first gear, but when it starts to slip in top gear it’s time for a new clutch pack.

Depending on the mileage and the depth of notching, you will probably will want to replace the basket at the same time. A notched basket will be louder, but I’m not convinced that it makes it any more difficult to for the plates to separate when disengaging the clutch. But replacing just the plate stack, which then has to engage the basket notch pattern worn-in by the previous plates, will possibly affect your ability to shift smoothly.
I have 21K miles on my 748 and I just replaced the plates thinking I also needed a new basket, it looked nothing like that and still has plenty of life left! I guess the previous owner really babied the throttle..
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Since 2004, all dry clutch ducs have an aluminium basket....whereas plates are still steel.
That's a bit wacky......
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:16 AM
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My 2004 999r had a steal clutch basket. I just installed it on the 916 so it is fresh in my little mind. I installed a Surflex in the 999r when I first got it and the stock clutch is what I ended up putting in the 916.
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