I downloaded the owners manual for the new 1098 and it lists 136hp at the crank. All the press releases say 160 at the crank and the manual says 136. If the manual is right, this thing will be hard pressed to see 128 on a dyno. What a laughing stock it would/will be. I did also notice in the manual that the USA versions don't get catylist exhaust. I also downloaded the Italian version and it's power was at the same rating. What gives? Oh shit, Mrgrn will have a field day with this.
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Considering the 999 made more than that with less displacement, I seriously doubt it. It's either a misprint, or someone at Ducati released a "special" owners manual.
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I did also notice in the manual that the USA versions don't get catylist exhaust.
I vaguely remember my 999 manual saying something similar but judging by the difference in heat output and weight of the muffler compared to the full system, i'd say it still had a cat in it. (It would make more economic sense to me for ducati to make one exhaust.)
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Some one at Ducati can't do conversions. The tech spec says 119kW or 160 hp which is a correct conversion, the manual says 113kW which is 151 hp not 136. Lets hope they get this figured out.
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Some one at Ducati can't do conversions. The tech spec says 119kW or 160 hp which is a correct conversion, the manual says 113kW which is 151 hp not 136. Lets hope they get this figured out.
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Have you noticed the below 10,000rpm peak power revs for the 1098 ... I thought the 999 and 749 were able to rev like motor bike engines ie. above 10,000 rpm, thus this capacity increase is a killer .
This all seems too much like following the HD model, larger and cr@ppier engines ...
If I want torque by the truck load, I'll buy a truck!
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Have you noticed the below 10,000rpm peak power revs for the 1098
Aside from the fact that it's probably yet another misprint (manual claims a rev limit of 10,700, marketing (and dash display) ~12,000), who cares where it peaks? So long as it sticks around for the rest of the band.
I doubt it needs a cat as it's running closed loop EFI. They could tune it pretty clean with an open exhaust.
I agree, and I would assume the same would go for cars, but I believe the EPA/Congress (with some push by the platinum lobby) has mandated the use of catalytic coverters for both rather than defining a pollutant level. We all know those guys in Congress are "geniuses" when it comes to dictating technology, thereby, creating inefficiency.
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That said, the manual suggests a Lambda 2 error code, which would imply it has two sensors. One pre-cat, one post-cat.
So it might have a cat?
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I am holding my reservations on this one, Ducti has been known to inflate the pre-relase facts. As in the 999, suposed to be the next best thing. Wasnt even close.
I vaguely remember my 999 manual saying something similar but judging by the difference in heat output and weight of the muffler compared to the full system, i'd say it still had a cat in it. (It would make more economic sense to me for ducati to make one exhaust.)
Deleting the cats would save a lot more than building two different exhausts. Cats are expensive...
I'll bet $100 the bike makes between 139 and 144 RWHP as delivered (if the injection is set up correctly by the dealer of course)
With the full system I estimate it will make 10 more.
Hmm, from purely empirical experience, I have found that you normally get at the rear wheel what Ducati quotes stock for the bike when you have a full system and PC3 installed. I've seen the following bikes tested before and after - in brackets is what Ducati quoted:
999S stock 129rwhp, full system 139rwhp, (139bhp quoted)
999R stock 130rwhp, full system 140rwhp, (140bhp quoted)
749R stock 109rwhp, full system 121rwhp, (120bhp quoted)
Based on this, I would expect around 145-150bhp at the wheel stock and 159-161 with a full system, PC3 and custom map.
Looking at it from another perspective, if we take a 999S and add 10% power from a 10% displacement increase we get around 143bhp. Add a few more as a result of the tweaking they have done in the cylinder heads and again you're looking at around 145 at the wheel stock.
This situation reminds me when the 999 came out in 2003- in terms of outright power, it was just about there with the R1 at around 130bhp. And then the Japanese makers upped their game and suddenly a 150bhp bike was the norm. I wonder how likely this is to happen with the 1098?
Not that it will matter for the vast majority of road riders unless they want ultimate bragging rights...
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All the press releases say 160 at the crank and the manual says 136. If the manual is right, this thing will be hard pressed to see 128 on a dyno. What a laughing stock it would/will be. I did also notice in the manual that the USA versions don't get catylist exhaust. I also downloaded the Italian version and it's power was at the same rating. What gives? Oh shit, Mrgrn will have a field day with this.
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