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Old 01-04-2005, 01:25 PM
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I would like to hear from Jeff and others with the correct tool what numbers they are running too. I setteled on a compromise, its lower than Jasons #. I will go get the exact # with the tool tonight and post back. Uh Jason, what do you mean by pushing the subframe all the way down??? My subframe is bolted to the frame in 4 places so its really sturdy and cant be pushed down, lol.
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Old 01-04-2005, 03:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MKIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> My subframe is bolted to the frame in 4 places so its really sturdy and cant be pushed down, lol. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Loosen the four bolts and try to move the sub frame up and down. You will get a 1/4 to 1/2" up and down play at the back end and that is where he is taking his measurement from.
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:36 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Phil 998 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Loosen the four bolts and try to move the sub frame up and down. You will get a 1/4 to 1/2" up and down play at the back end and that is where he is taking his measurement from.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Yeah, what he said
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Old 01-04-2005, 05:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MKIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would like to hear from Jeff and others with the correct tool what numbers they are running too. I setteled on a compromise, its lower than Jasons #. I will go get the exact # with the tool tonight and post back. Uh Jason, what do you mean by pushing the subframe all the way down??? My subframe is bolted to the frame in 4 places so its really sturdy and cant be pushed down, lol. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The problem with the tool method is the tools are different from one brand to another. I have three and they are all different. Not to mention where you measure from There are so many variables it's amazing! It's kind of like dynos, they atre good for a before and after, but a direct comparison is not exactly science.

The funny thing about you commenting on the measurement being to high is that I posed those numbers a little short of what I run to keep it on the side of caution. I run mine about 5mm higher.
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Old 01-04-2005, 08:47 PM
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The FBF and DP tools, at least, are supposed to be identical and interchangeable, and every time I measure mine I get the same answer to a fraction of a millimeter. That's why they make those tools, and why basically all tuners use them. You have to use them consistently - what I do is measure from the top flat surface of the left rear nut (rotate the wheel until a flat surface is on top, level with the ground) to the top edge of the gauge and then add 20 mm to get the ride height measured to the center of the axle. If different tools give measurements different by more than a couple mm, something's wrong with one of the tools or with the way the measurement is being done.

On my 996 I'm currently running 257 mm (top of tool to center of axle), which is a bit higher than I'd like but I can't go lower without swapping ride height adjuster bars (I'm using the lower straight-rate linkage hole on the two-hole linkage that came with my Marchesini swingarm). My 748 street bike is at 250 mm, with stock everything. If you poll folks like Nash, Meyers, Jenkins, etc., you'll find typical recommended numbers in the 250-260 mm range. In my experience, going higher tends to kill rear-tire traction and front-end feel unless you also raise the front end a bunch, which raises the CG and makes the bike feel tippy and hard to pick up. But it's partly a matter of personal preference.
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Old 01-05-2005, 12:21 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by section8superbike &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Which exhaust hanger bolt are you using? Did you push the subframe down all the way?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Top bolt, subframe down all the way. My bike has the Showa shock, and I wondered if the unloaded length of that might be different from the Ohlins on your bike. Isn't that what limits unloaded wheel position?
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Old 01-05-2005, 01:31 AM
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OK. i'm gonna have to do a little checking this weekend. i didn't really push the subframe all the way down

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by injected &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

MKIA, I have the same problem with Jason's numbers and alum subframe, but no ride height tool. What is your measurement from hub nut to exhaust hanger bolt now that you've set it up this way?</TD></TR></TABLE>
604mm to the center of the top bolt of the exhaust hanger.
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