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Old 01-02-2005, 11:23 PM
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The new 2005 R6 makes more power stock for stock than a 996.
http://www.sportrider.com/feat...dyno/
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Old 01-02-2005, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

Thats ok. I wont be running out to buy one of those.
Those that buy the dime a dozen jap bikes can have em.
I used to be a jap bike guy but since I got my Ducati Im sure I wont own a jap import ever again.
I guess Im gettin older.
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Old 01-02-2005, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: This sucks (Busamouse)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Busamouse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Thats ok. I wont be running out to buy one of those.
Those that buy the dime a dozen jap bikes can have em.
I used to be a jap bike guy but since I got my Ducati Im sure I wont own a jap import ever again.
I guess Im gettin older.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's the same thing I said. Since switching over to a V-Twin, I have no desire to ride an Inline configuration ever again.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

Everyone I have known that has compared twins to fours or even triples. Has come to love the twins. The other configurations have their advantages. But for me,on the street the twins are much more forgiving and fun to ride. Though you have to appreciate the sheer brute force of the current liter bike and 600 cc offerings from the land of the rising sun.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Maryland 998)

Who would've ever thought we'd see the day when 600s were putting out 110hp to the wheel????

Just a few years ago they were struggling to make 85hp.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo329 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who would've ever thought we'd see the day when 600s were putting out 110hp to the wheel????

Just a few years ago they were struggling to make 85hp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree- pretty impressive HP for a 600. However, if you have ridden one you know that you need to rev the snot of them to keep it in the powerband. With a twin, just twist and go.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:27 AM
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I would hope a 996 makes more than 110hp at the wheel, my 853 makes almost 105, 103.5 to be exact. A stock 996 makes less than 110????? really, what am I missing? My 853 will hang right with a 04 R6 and older GSXR 750s on the long VIR front straight, its pretty much stock except for exhaust and chip. Dont know about an 05 R6 yet, but I got an 955 motor Im getting ready to drop in that will sure do the trick.
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Old 01-03-2005, 12:38 AM
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Here is the 996S Dyno


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Old 01-03-2005, 12:45 AM
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22 more LBs TQ for the Duc.....
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

v's = track-ability, torque and drive off the corners ... inlines ( besides every 18 to 19 y/o has one ) i hope you picked the right gear ,, and or rev the snot out of it .
I started on twins , owned a few inlines ,, back to v's and never goin back
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

Hey Guys,

Unless you're talking the same Dyno on back to back runs - comparing dyno numbers is like bragging about how long your dick is when it's soft.

Different Dynos produce different numbers. Differenty types of Dynos produce different numbers. Temperature, humidity, and air pressure affects dyno numbers also.

On top of that, there are variations in manufacturing that will affect power output of a particular engine.

All that number says is that on that dyno, on that day, that particular R-6 put out an uncalibrated figure of torque and horsepower.

Not to mention that the Ducati puts out a sound that takes care of any flaccidity.

And we all know that it doesn't matter how much you have but how well you wield it.
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Old 01-03-2005, 02:26 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

[QUOTE=Buckelew]Hey Guys,

Unless you're talking the same Dyno on back to back runs - comparing dyno numbers is like bragging about how long your dick is when it's soft.

That's a classic! I to was once a Jap fan, still am, but my heart is with the Duc now. Since switching (and racing) GSXR's (600-750-1000), I'll never switch back, in fact since buying a 2000 748, I now also own a 2004 749 & 1997 900ss. Will be picking another one (996 or 998) up in spring!
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

Ya, pretty amazing how far the 600s have come, but I agree - on the street they're a lot less fun than the big twin. The 600 really shines on a racetrack (and will absolutely destroy the stock 996 ), but only if you keep it on the pipe all the time.
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (JeffKoch)

And the worst is yet to come with the new 636. I heard around 114-117hp at the rear wheel. That's 998/999 territory.

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Old 01-03-2005, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

I think it was Kevin Schwantz that said "...motorcycle racing is 90% between the ears."


Modified by socal at 4:58 AM 1/3/2005
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Old 01-03-2005, 04:43 AM
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Old 01-03-2005, 07:39 AM
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Default Re: This sucks (Turbo329)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo329 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That's the same thing I said. Since switching over to a V-Twin, I have no desire to ride an Inline configuration ever again.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well i thought that, i still have my 916 sps, but my F4 Senna pisses all over it in all respects
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:20 PM
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Thats way low for a 996. Lets run'em back to back on the same dyno and see where the chips fall.
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Old 01-03-2005, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: This sucks (JeffKoch)

Jeff, I know a guy who can kick just about anyone on a R6 on his stock, execpt for chips and pipes 996. He is a national caliber rider doing 1.33s at VIR, The fastest club experts on sbk or ss R6s are in the 1.32-36 range. Its the rider not the bike. I also know a guy that can do 1.34-35s on the same track with a 80hp SV650 down almost 30hp from a R6. Most cant do those kind of numbers no matter what bike they own. Since you been racing only a short time I guess havent learned this lesson yet. The only time HP really matters is at the pro level where everyones riding ability is equal. Daytona too, you can be a crappy rider there with a super high HP bike and leave everyone on the banking.
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Old 01-03-2005, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: This sucks (MKIA)

If this was correct a 996 should only have 5,7 hp more the a monster S4. When I dynod my S4 it gave 99 standard and 106 (plus 7hp) with slipons, open airbox and PC3. So if this is correct my S4 should give the same or more power then a 996. The 996 I had before were giving 119hp at the same dyna as my S4 give 106. That most be a very sick 996 they tested there.

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