Yes indeedy it works!, it's quiet and it will last. I had to manufacture an aluminum spacer gasket with an Oring on both sides and welded in a fill and drain plug into a stock dry cover, some minor clearance issues to fix but now bada bing bada boom, a quiet, long lasting, clutch on a Ducati.
For all you shocked and horrified retrogrouches, the factory themselves are going back to wet clutches. It's a horrible noise and they wear absurdly quickly.
Yes indeedy it works!, it's quiet and it will last. I had to manufacture an aluminum spacer gasket with an Oring on both sides and welded in a fill and drain plug into a stock dry cover, some minor clearance issues to fix but now bada bing bada boom, a quiet, long lasting, clutch on a Ducati.
For all you shocked and horrified retrogrouches, the factory themselves are going back to wet clutches. It's a horrible noise and they wear absurdly quickly.
Sounds like alot of work for something that isnt a problem. Besides I like the noise and I wouldnt condsider the 32k I got out of the stoccker in my 851 "absurdly quick" but to each their own.
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Your stock clutch lasted 32k is that just the plates or basket too? Noise is indeed in the eye of the beholder, but there is no question that a dry clutch wears a lot more quickly than a wet one, that's why they enclosed and kept valve trains lubricated back in the day, same problem, different part of the engine.
Your stock clutch lasted 32k is that just the plates or basket too? Noise is indeed in the eye of the beholder, but there is no question that a dry clutch wears a lot more quickly than a wet one, that's why they enclosed and kept valve trains lubricated back in the day, same problem, different part of the engine.
The basket showed normal wear. Its been replaced since with, get this, another stock clutch.
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but there is no question that a dry clutch wears a lot more quickly than a wet one, that's why they enclosed and kept valve trains lubricated back in the day, same problem, different part of the engine.
???????? that statement makes no sense. friction is good for clutches... not so good for valve trains. unfortunately friction creates heat. dry clutches tend to get hotter than wet ones and that will increase susceptibility to wear but they don't necessarily wear faster.
dry clutches are typically more expensive to manufacture due to more sealing surfaces. for example bmw uses a single plate dry clutch (very much like every 4wheeled vehicle on the planet) that last for 75k or more.
dry clutches work fine as long as they're cool and clean. enclosed dry clutches need to be cleaned regularly, open dry clutches run cooler and cleaner by being exposed. personally i wouldn't want the same fluid lubricating my particle generating clutch to also be lubing up my cams, crank and pistons.
???????? that statement makes no sense. friction is good for clutches... not so good for valve trains. unfortunately friction creates heat. dry clutches tend to get hotter than wet ones and that will increase susceptibility to wear but they don't necessarily wear faster.
Sorry I'm not about friction, I'm talking about metal on metal wear and the really old bikes that ran their valvetrains dry. They do necessarily wear faster.
personally i wouldn't want the same fluid lubricating my particle generating clutch to also be lubing up my cams, crank and pistons.
It doesn't seem to hurt all the Japanese Sportbikes.
I'm obviously late to this thread, however, I had a friend wear out two dry BMW dry clutches in two weeks. Of course, you could smell the clutch from a mile away as he slipped from intersection to intersection.... lack of clutch skills don't go well w/ dry clutches.
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Both dry and wet clutches seem to have their advantages. A wet clutch is quieter and probably runs cooler, but also fouls the oil shared by the cylinders and transmission too.
I for one have always babied my dry clutches, knowing they are probably the weak link in the drivetrain of both of my Ducatis. My 851 clutch has 12k miles on it, and when I checked the plates about a month ago, it was about half worn to the minimum thickness compared to new. So 24k miles from a dry clutch isn't bad, especially considering you can change them in half an hour for about $150.
I don't think we can moan too much about clutch particles fouling the engines oil when the engines oil is fouling the gearbox oil in the first place. Basically they should not share the same oil ... part of the problem with the original Mini and Lamborghini Muira.
Gearboxes don't like carbon deposits, etc. ... and on most cars you never really have to change gearbox oil because unless a bearing fails not much causes it to degrade.
Irrelevant FYI :My Gn250's clutch has been 'thin' since I bought it and now 25,000 km's later it's going to need replacing soon me thinks ... but I will try and baby it for as long as I can. It now slips over bumps if I have the revs up .
Anyway there are problems in the design concept whichever way you go ... and noise seems such a minor thing to me.
Pete
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Why fly when ya can make a lot of noise
I have both... a wet on my SS750 and a dry on my M900ie. 24K plus many track days on the M900ie and still going strong. The SS750 is still holding up and she gets a beating at the race track regularly. I haven't experienced any problem with either ... hope it stays this way.
Ok what I've learned from this discussion is some people love the sound of a dry clutch and most people seem to think that clutch dust contaminates engine oil, nobody, well almost nobody, contests that a wet clutch is more durable.
Well I hate the sound of a dry clutch, my conversion has it's own oil thus not contaminating the engine oil and I KNOW that a wet clutch (and especially the basket) lasts MUCH longer. Best of both worlds, for me anyway.
Pictures are coming soon.
Yes indeedy it works!, it's quiet and it will last. I had to manufacture an aluminum spacer gasket with an Oring on both sides and welded in a fill and drain plug into a stock dry cover, some minor clearance issues to fix but now bada bing bada boom, a quiet, long lasting, clutch on a Ducati.
For all you shocked and horrified retrogrouches, the factory themselves are going back to wet clutches. It's a horrible noise and they wear absurdly quickly.
i bet you put extra baffles in your slip-ons too ... those darn ducatis are SO noisy
Nope I have loud, round, carbon SIL's.
Noise annoys, ie; metalic, clanging, rattling dry clutches.
Percussive, basso profundo, exhaust is the only Ducati Sound I wanna hear, so sue me!
Dry to Wet clutch GOOD!
Yes indeedy it works!, it's quiet and it will last. I had to manufacture an aluminum spacer gasket with an Oring on both sides and welded in a fill and drain plug into a stock dry cover, some minor clearance issues to fix but now bada bing bada boom, a quiet, long lasting, clutch on a Ducati.
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