Buy a M1000ds power commander and slap it on there. Leave the oxygen sensor in the loop. If you need a map let me know. I have mine for an Arrow full system with a 1/2 open airbox that I can email you. Should be a good starting point.
Cheers
ok ,can i still do that with my s2r1000,but it has the full termignoni exhaust,dp air fliter,dp computer thing.they have got rid of the oxygen sensor anyway(the dealer i bought the bike off),i got handed 2 big boxes of stuff and there was alot of wiring etc in there.
i was under the impression that the s2r1000 was unique in its computer stuff.
im sorry i dont know enough about this side of things,that is why im asking too many questions.the bike runs perfect as is,but i want to put a big bore kit and cams etc in it and am hoping that the nerd(computer side of things is sorted) stuff is already taken care of for optimum performance.
im here to learn,im certainly not ??? anything you say ,i just want to be sure,and am hoping you are right as then it willall be easier.
im surprised that more stuff isnt out there for the awesome 1000 air cooled twin spark engine after 3 or so yrs of being in existence.
i could have bought a new s4rs,but after seeing it,no way im of the opinion that it goes against the whole monster,minimalist bike thing.
hence i want to build up a torquey big bore reliable air cooled monster.
i really am out of my depth on the whole computer side of things and dont want to do mechanical stuff that i cant get backed up by the correct computer tuning.
cheers dave from perth australia
Aussie, if you already have the Termi's with an DP ECU why would you want to add a Power Commander?
Although the 1000DS engine has been available for several years, this is the first year that it uses an O2 sensor. So you'll find that the exhaust headers available from DP, Arrow, etc will be different than the ones for the S4R and S2R 800 which do not require the bung.
Aussie, if you already have the Termi's with an DP ECU why would you want to add a Power Commander?
I can't believe a dealership employee is asking that.
Uhh, to make the bike run right. The DP ECU's are notorius for not having a very good map. The only thing you gain from a DP ECU is 500 RPM on the limiter. You still need a PC3 to properly set up the bike.
I can't believe a dealership employee is asking that.
Uhh, to make the bike run right. The DP ECU's are notorius for not having a very good map. The only thing you gain from a DP ECU is 500 RPM on the limiter. You still need a PC3 to properly set up the bike.
don't believe every tom, dick, and billy ducati internet expert, they post more than they know. a good example would be the guy who posted before mine.
if you just put a PCIII on your bike you will be in the same spot your are in now. what you need to do is find a competent ducati mechanic that you can trust to work on your bike. he should be able to get your bike running right to start with. if you do install a PCIII you will also need to find a competent tech who will use software and a dyno to install a map that will compliment what you have done to your bike.
you should start with the bike and get it running right before you go and do other work on it.
at least that is what i would do. good luck.
Properly set-up the DP ECU alone should work great with the Termi's. I double checked with our techs and they agree - but then again we're just a small one line shop in New England. I'm sure others in this thread are far more knowledgeable about this...
Properly set-up the DP ECU alone should work great with the Termi's. I double checked with our techs and they agree - but then again we're just a small one line shop in New England. I'm sure others in this thread are far more knowledgeable about this...
if you just put a PCIII on your bike you will be in the same spot your are in now. what you need to do is find a competent ducati mechanic that you can trust to work on your bike. he should be able to get your bike running right to start with. if you do install a PCIII you will also need to find a competent tech who will use software and a dyno to install a map that will compliment what you have done to your bike.
you should start with the bike and get it running right before you go and do other work on it.
at least that is what i would do. good luck.
If you read my post it said you need a PC3 to properly set up the bike. Of course you need to have a competent tuner build a custom map.
Buy a M1000ds power commander and slap it on there. Leave the oxygen sensor in the loop. If you need a map let me know. I have mine for an Arrow full system with a 1/2 open airbox that I can email you. Should be a good starting point.
Cheers
Is there any down side to using a PCIII for a standard M1000DS? Its really the map that counts as long as the electronics have the proper harness correct?
I'm curious because I'm in the same boat with my 06 S2R, Arrow pipes, but full air box at the moment because I'm already running way too lean.
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Hello all, I am new to the forum and this was the last post I found for an 06 S2R 1000. My friend owns one and are both looking to buy PC's for our bikes. I am running a full arrow on my 08 motard while he has a full arrow on his S2R. CuStOm, I see that you have a map, could you email that to me? He has a stock air box, but figure it would run better with your map. Also we still have no been able to find a PC made specifically for an 06 S2R 1000, is the MDS still the one to purschase?
Thanks all,
Will
The people that said you shouldn't need a PCMIII if you have a DP ECU are correct, if that's what you meant when you said "DP computer thing". Along with a dyno tune by someone who speaks Ducati, you can put a PCM on your bike to "fine tune" the DP ECU, as it isn't configured to run with an O2 sensor, but you shouldn't need to. For most people, the DP ECU is the holy grail of fueling without any "outside" help, like a PCMusb/III.
The ECU that comes stock will never work correctly with a PCM as it will always look to the O2 sensor and try to look up the correct fueling to meet what it reads from the sensor. If the O2 sensor is disconnected from the stock ECU the same incompatability will ensue.
I guess I don't expect anyone to except my opinion but here goes!
Whether you have the stock ECU or the 'magic' ECU, the thing still won't run right without proper set-up. Throttle synch, idle fuel trim, etc. and matched injectors help too.
That's why some shops have 100% happy customers and other have 0%.
How a shop gets paid for that attention to detail is another question. The customer can't imagine that he should pay for it since the bike costs plenty to begin with. Warranty doesn't want to pay 'cause they assume they all work great out-of-the-box.
I don't have a lot of experience (any actually) replacing stock ECUs with DP ECUs, but I have seen some dyno runs where the cyl-to-cyl AFRs are dismall.
Some DP cals are probably good and others maybe not so good. (then there's injector variation and fuel pressure variation to mess with that.)
Whether the DP cal is good or not, the bike still needs proper set-up or it will start poorly and run like butt at low speeds. And, the customer or the service guy without a dyno can't tell if they run right at WOT.
If the DP cal has a good timing table, then the fuel can be adjusted with a Power Commander and you can have a good result. The DP cal turns off the closed-loop O2 sensor strategy so you can tune it at part throttle and disables the immobilizer so you can put it on any bike.
All of the Ducati cals I've seen previous to 2008 have really retarded (4-6 degrees) idle timing which makes you open the throttle to get enough air to idle, which kills a bunch of vacuum at idle. (Harleys idle at 20 degrees!) A 996 074UCH chip idles at 4 degrees advance.
It's no wonder they are such a bear to set up.
Then above idle they usually increase the advance so the engine just wants to migrate to the advanced timing area. Can you say 'idle up'?
OK, so, I'm rambling.
If you can assume that the injectors are all the same (they are not!) and the fuel pressure is consistant (it is not!) the available calibrations are not impressive in many ways.
My hat is off to anyone who can make a Ducati start and idle well without two O2 sensors and access to the cal tables. But, if you don't have AFR data for both cylinders from off-idle to WOT you don't know the complete story and it is a big stretch to assume that any 'canned' map is good or even adequate, no matter where it came from.
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