999 motor/swingarm in a monster (s4) frame. observations so far.

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i'd guess that the battery (if there even is a battery) is up under the tank forward of the airbox. that's where i'm figuring on stuffing mine as there won't be room for it over the vertical 998 head.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And Strati - you said you had clay and wire mesh to make molds of parts, what kind of clay, as you my not know (which I'm sure you don't) I am a potter in my spare time so I've got an excess of clay. But it is all high fire, so I'm curious what you are using as the clay I have shrinks 7-13% during the drying process.

I've been wanting to make some parts out of fiber glass/ carbon for some time, but wasn't sure how to go about it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i picked up some generic modelling clay from charettes (local art supply store). i'm not planning on firing it so i'm not terribly concerned about shrinkage. but then again... i've never done this before so i may be in for an unpleasant surprise! i'll post pics and whatnot when i get underway.

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Yes it is, I have all the production pictures and so on, all 80MB of them, very amazing and no expense spared anywhere, the ECU and all is up under there as well.

Hey monstaman, where can I get those pics online? Or can you email me a few to akcreek@indiana.edu? I'd love the see it with no tank etc.. To see the wiring and placement of of devices. TIA = Anthony

Anthony, I had better ask them first, they sent me the CD loaded with goodies, I will ask if I can put up a few pics with her skirt up for all to see.

Will get back to you after.

For the moment here is the website to have a look at.

http://www.racemetal.com/incEngine/

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i figured the longer shock-length would also come into play which is why for the monster, i'm using an ohlins off a 998 rather than a 999 version. it's a bit shorter.

You are right. I failed to mention that I used a shock from a 996.

ah! okee. so which SSS did you use? one off a 916-gen SBK or an aftermarket one?

It's off a 916 SBK. The ride height is still a little high for the street but not as high as my 748. Over the winter I'll probably play around with it a little more. I like the settings that Section8 suggests for the 749/999. I don't think I can get it there the way it is now. I may need to have a new "rocker" machined.

strati we need to get you a new motor stand

i kinda like the one you included with the motor! hehehe... soon as the frame's finished with rework, the bike's getting lifted up to pull off the stand and start with the exhaust and bodywork. should be coming on soon.

Anthony, we will start another thread on the Marchia Nera rather than hijack stratis, sorry strati ...I have a tendency to wonder a bit

I have Michele Poggipolini, the owner of the Marchia Nera coming to the forum to explain the building and tesing etc of the Marchia Nera so we will start a dedicated thread based on that.

this is awesome.

i am really looking forward to see the final outcome of this s4/999 transformation.

i wish i had your mechanical talents strati

update. solo-tail mockup pictured. a carbon unit's laid up and drying:



frame rework completed. brace for swingarm pivot is added. standard "x" bracing around the throttle bodies was removed and a heavier single slant brace added to accomodate 999's t'bodies fitment. batterybox mounting tabs added behind headstock. shortenned to save weight since it's now a solo-ride. new rearset mounting points added. it's real ugly now but currently at the painters. should have it back saturday or monday i hope.

YES

That is it. The tank looks great as does the solo seat. It kind of reminds me of the aprilia 250.

thanks dude,
note that i've already trashed that solo-seat. unfortunately, it didn't play well with the underseat breather box i'm installing. pissed me off cuz it took quite a while to get it "right" only to find out it was wrong! mocked up another setup last night by butcherring the stock seatpan and will have another go today laying up!

That's too bad. That's the business thought - the under seat breather box.

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yeah, it really set me off. "freshly" laid carbon doesn't hold up to well to getting the sh!t kicked out of it when it doesn't fit. it was a rare tempermental fit for me

the breather box is one of the readily available SBK units. getting it to fit on the monster's been "fun"... hehehe... i should be able to post pics of the 2nd attempt tomorrow or saturday. whoot!!!

Hey s4strati,,,It's lookin' good!! I have made some fiberglass and CF parts using blue styrofoam as a base. Hand lay it up, use epoxy resin, then pour gasoline or paint thinner in it to eat the foam away. It's fairly messy as the foam turns into a blue glue like substance, but with persistance it does work. I made a huge under-tail breather box for my 851 that way.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by marvin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey s4strati,,,It's lookin' good!! I have made some fiberglass and CF parts using blue styrofoam as a base. Hand lay it up, use epoxy resin, then pour gasoline or paint thinner in it to eat the foam away. It's fairly messy as the foam turns into a blue glue like substance, but with persistance it does work. I made a huge under-tail breather box for my 851 that way.</TD></TR></TABLE>
definately an interesting idea marvin, thanks. i've got most of the carbon laid up on the 2nd unit already. gonna add a few layers on the seat area to support my fat butt and then a single uniform layer over the "cowl" area for a uniform look. i'm going about this part the "wrong" way by using a positive model instead of a negative mold, but i think it's going to work out pretty well regardless.

i'll post more updates/pics this weekend. should be getting my frame back from the painter tomorrow along with a surprise package!!!

I love surprises!!

What do you mean by positive instead of negative?

positive vs negative... let's say you want to make a headlight bucket. if you lay carbon fabric right over the stock headlight bucket, that's a positive mold. if you submerg the stock headlight bucket in a bucket of plaster to cast it, then when you pull the bucket out, the dried plaster is a negative mold. laying into a negative mold reportedly gives better results as far as how uniform the weave looks and whatnot, but it takes more time. so if you're only doing one or two pieces, and you're mostly painting them anyways... a positive mold is easier to deal with.