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Old 10-27-2005, 10:59 AM
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Hi All

Seeing pictures of Alex's fantastic "MH900eR" (#1936) has inspired me to consider what the next stage could be:

And this what I am thinking:

1) Martin Bickwood's flowed "Testarossa" heads - work well and how cool will the red heads look on the MH? (see
http://www.mbpducati.ca/)
2) Overbore and 966 Mahle pistons to add in a little more stomp
3) Engine properly set up with squish reduced to 0.04" etc, etc.

The result: 104hp at the wheel - versus the standard 75hp!!! (see
http://www.ca-cycleworks.com/shop/heads/heads.html)

This mean that the MH900e will have the same power as a 916, now how cool is that?

Now, has anyone had experience of similar upgrades and what do the learned think about boosting the power to such an extent - bottom end, chassis, etc?

Also, do I do this on my current engine (2000miles odd), or do I go and get a workout engine and do the bottom end of that at the same
time?

Now the other upside is that with all that power, Ohlins front and back will be necessary and I can justify them to myself.

Comments and advice welcome.

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Old 10-27-2005, 12:02 PM
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Dear deimh

A very cool project indeed!!!

I was thinking of strying to stuff a 9xx motor into my MHe, but this seems like a more sensible way to go.

In response to my posts in the Superbike section, a guy called Chris sent me an email indicating that he could do this type of stuff inj the UK - check out www.louigimoto.co.uk/ if interested.

What do you plan to do with the gearing. With a littlke over a hundered ponies, you could lengthen it quite a bit, although the wind at speed buffeting you would more than likely set the top speed befoer the gearing! What do others think?

I also really liked Alex's paint job and his one-off MH900eR - if you do this you will have a MH966eR

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PS I'm impressed that you have not responded to Andi's wind-ups, hang in there!
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Actually, it needs to be called an MH966Re not a MH966eR - A MH966Revolutione
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Cool project. Do you have a larger fuel tank planned?

I wonder what kind range you will get between fuel stops when you are on the throttle...
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without a larger fuel tank ... piss poor range is in store

ciao 4 now,
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Cool project. Do you have a larger fuel tank planned?

I wonder what kind range you will get between fuel stops when you are on the throttle...
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Cheers
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PS I'm impressed that you have not responded to Andi's wind-ups, hang in there!
Duccie, no need to throw that shit in there after your lectures of carming down, take your own advice dude, back it back.
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Andi

Chill mate, I was not "throwing shit"anywhere!!!

I was just positively commenting on deimh not responding to your posts and keeping it private - like many others have already indicated. Hence I am surprised at your agressive responce

Now Andi, can you get the chip off your shouldewr and let the rest of us play nicely?

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COOL - then peace brother


What do you think about the 966 stuff?
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What do you think about the 966 stuff?
I am cool with peace, if you have any sway with Dave tell him to stop throwing rocks, then I won't need to pick em up and hif em back ...easy.

K, I read the post on the Yahoo site, I like the idea and with the heads professionally done it would be great, I am in two minds as to the swingarm being able to take the extra grunt as they flex now with 75 -80 hp.

I would be keen to get a M900 FI engine and do the mods, wouldn't wonna do it to my existing engine, maybe the full length headers from Staintune should be enlarged to help with the volume??

I would expect a swingarm stabilizing mod would be in order however I can't see many owners wanting to fizz some extra bracing under the swingarm, I certainly wouldn't.

I am happy at my 75 -80 hp but if theer is more on offer then....well you know

(edit), this thread worth looking at.
http://speedzilla.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11492
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No rocks today

How do you think it would be best to: see / talk to someone at Ducati / who knows what, to determine whether or not the swingarm can take the load?
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How do you think it would be best to: see / talk to someone at Ducati / who knows what, to determine whether or not the swingarm can take the load?
Sorry Dave I don't know, maybe we could try and get a contact thru johnc and the Ducatiowners group.

I don't know if anyone else has contacts within DNA or SPA or alternatively do we have a structural engineer within the ranks?
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I might just drop Ducati an email : tech@ducati.com

I actually got a reasonable response from them when I imported my bike from Italy and needed the build documents.

I will let you guys know what they say - if the respond that is!
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ciao andi -

i will ask dan van epps @ ducati if he can advise if the stock swingarm can handle 104 hp. that is the question now, right?

ciao,
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John

Thanks for the help - you have the basics of the question. The swing arm and anything else too that may not stand up to a 30% increase in power!
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ciao andi -

i will ask dan van epps @ ducati if he can advise if the stock swingarm can handle 104 hp. that is the question now, right?

ciao,
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Yeap, also there would be increase torque as well, as Dave says in the region of 30% so it would be good to ask about the structure as a whole.

Maybe with staintune with the full length headers now would be the time to discuss the sizing of the headers, they may need to be bigger than stock to allow that bit more umph!!
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after doing the calculations in my head unless you're dragging the bike with a 10 inch slick, i wouldn't worry too much about the structure.

i'd be more concerned with the driveline......clutch/trans......

but not that concerned--upgrade the clutch/trans once your stockers go bad.

aren't some monster versions running a similar swingarm and driveline with increased power?

i think you'd be ok all around. that said, better safe than sorry, any information you could get ahead of time will help.

good luck. looking forward to hearing about the results.
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according to ducati, should not be a problem with the swingarm.

on the added torque, check with guy martin, or chris kelley, as they have been building those motors for some time now, and have experience.

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Thanks for the help - you have the basics of the question. The swing arm and anything else too that may not stand up to a 30% increase in power!
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Guys


Thanks for the research - much appreciated!

Cheers
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after doing the calculations in my head unless you're dragging the bike with a 10 inch slick, i wouldn't worry too much about the structure.

i'd be more concerned with the driveline......clutch/trans......

but not that concerned--upgrade the clutch/trans once your stockers go bad.

aren't some monster versions running a similar swingarm and driveline with increased power?
mh900e uses same engine as m900ie which uses same engine as 916 and 996 which are mostly the same as 955 Corse and 996 Corse. So it'll be good.

BTW, my 104hp "Pongo" M966 has over 76 ft-lb of torque.
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