Thanks a bunch guys, helpful as always.

Sent a i/pm to edwyun hope he has some info.

Parents are actually pretty compentent on the computer, so i'm not too worried about that. Garmin, i've never heard of, Magellan is the one that everyone seems to stock, i think i'll have a look see around the web this aft.

as for big screen tv's, the 13" ive got with the rabbit ears is about as much as i can stand. if its not snowing here outside, i can always turn the tv on

thanks again folks!

g.