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Old 04-06-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AZ Scott
That's a great question.

At parking lot speeds, you don't feel like you're countersteering, but in a way you actually are. You're just using body english to start the lean. To really notice the countersteering effect, you have to have a little more forward speed.

The problem is, it's really hard to measure what you're doing at parking lot speed. You may feel like you're perfectly straight up and down, and when you turn the bar to the right, you go right. But it doesn't happen that way.

In reality, at slow speeds when you lean your body to the right, you actually start to fall to the right - just as you would if you were parked. You then turn the bar to the right in order to "catch" the bike and keep it from falling all the way over.

So, rather than "turn the bar to the right and the bike goes to the right", it's really the other way around.

Trust me, Mashuri, it's not the gyro effect that makes you turn. I wouldn't *steer* you wrong on this one...
Well, I've ridden my bike in an abandoned parking lot before just to figure some of this out. At low speeds, in neutral with my hands off the bars, I could get it to "fall" into corners but it took a lot of effort. Using one hand on the bars I decided to focus specifically on how I pressured them to turn. I had to steer them into the corner to go that direction (keeping my body upright and letting the bike lean under me) while, once the wheels got going, I had to countersteer. I don't doubt your convictions about this, Scott, but my real-world experience just doesn't seem to jibe with your hypothesis.
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