ahh, screw it, I will get into it
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Oh. My. God.
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he's not yours, he's everybody's
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A few points you guys need to get your head around:
- The lighter you make the wheels (i.e. LESS gyroscopic force) the BETTER and FASTER it will turn. There is no limit! There is no magical number at which the motorcycle will no longer turn. Gyroscopic forces only HINDER steering, they do not help it in any way.
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yes and no....lighter wheels help because they take less force to change direction (to induce precession) but the important point is, they still create gyro forces....for this reason there
is a lower limit on how light a wheel can be.
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- When a motorcycle is leaned into a corner, the center of gravity does NOT move in relation to the motorcycle's original path. If you make the bike lean into a RIGHT turn, you DO, in fact, move the tires' contact patches to the LEFT.
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I agree 100%
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- This does not happen because of gyroscopic force. It happens because you STEERED the tires to the left! (Actually, you steered the FRONT tire to the left - the rear tire will always follow the front because they are connected by a motorcycle).
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See my previous post about not actually moving the wheel, but putting force thru it.
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- Once you steer the front tire to the left, the motorcycle will immediately fall to the right - GRAVITY - until you tell it to stop falling by steering the front tire back to the right until you find the balance point of the lean angle you want.
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so tell me, if it JUST gravity, how do you hold a lean angle or correct it? by making the bike lean the other way? your tire is waaay over there now, you cant get weight onto the other side of it....precession is the ONLY way you can do this.
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- Give us a break with the damn bicycle-wheel-sitting-on-a-stool-and-turning-it science experiment. It has nothing to do with this!
- I'll repeat that: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!
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no matter how loud you yell, it has everything to do with this.
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- When you turn into a corner, you don't turn the bars NINETY FRIKKIN' DEGREES to either side. You turn it a few degrees at most. The faster the turn, the less you move the bars. As in, less than 5 degrees.
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you dont need to turn the bars 90 degrees, just put force thru them....again, read what I have already said about lack of actual bar movement.
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- The gyroscopic forces caused by the crankshaft and other engine parts also do not help steering. A motorcycle is perfectly capable of being ridden - and turned - with the engine not even running.
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who said the other gyros on the bike help turning? they are what is keeping the bike upright in the 1st place. If anything, they resist the change of direction.
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You guys all correct about some of these things, and completely off-base about some other things. But this myth about motorcycles turning BECAUSE of gyroscopic precession is the biggest fallacy in the world of motorcycles.
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Gee, I thought that it was "harley davidsons are the best motorcycles in the world"